Nick Khan

You were sending me videos from your hotel room of him doing, Ben, your son, doing all the wrestling moves on your guy's hotel bed. Now my son, who you know, Sonny, is nine. So I get to experience that firsthand in seeing him, my son, do all the things Ben was doing nine years ago.

Well, by the way, there's a precursor to that conversation. He said to me, hey, if Bill Simmons asked me what's going to happen in Royal Rumble, do we trust him? Do we tell him? I said, we trust him, but we don't tell him. And he said, okay, then I'm going to tell him Cena's taking the whole thing. And I said, okay, great. He never said any of that, but I'm just kidding.

Well, by the way, there's a precursor to that conversation. He said to me, hey, if Bill Simmons asked me what's going to happen in Royal Rumble, do we trust him? Do we tell him? I said, we trust him, but we don't tell him. And he said, okay, then I'm going to tell him Cena's taking the whole thing. And I said, okay, great. He never said any of that, but I'm just kidding.

Well, by the way, there's a precursor to that conversation. He said to me, hey, if Bill Simmons asked me what's going to happen in Royal Rumble, do we trust him? Do we tell him? I said, we trust him, but we don't tell him. And he said, okay, then I'm going to tell him Cena's taking the whole thing. And I said, okay, great. He never said any of that, but I'm just kidding.

Listen, someone in this room, and to the listeners, there's only two of us in this room, told me years ago, hey, keep in mind, everybody tells somebody.

Listen, someone in this room, and to the listeners, there's only two of us in this room, told me years ago, hey, keep in mind, everybody tells somebody.

Listen, someone in this room, and to the listeners, there's only two of us in this room, told me years ago, hey, keep in mind, everybody tells somebody.

The Jacoby Trust Triangle. So we had to keep it tight that Cena was not winning the World Rumble.

The Jacoby Trust Triangle. So we had to keep it tight that Cena was not winning the World Rumble.

The Jacoby Trust Triangle. So we had to keep it tight that Cena was not winning the World Rumble.

So here's what I thought was interesting about that whole process. Number one, John Cena's merchandise still off the charts. Wow. Top of show at every event or almost every event. The sort of collective decision to make that heel turn. Yeah. Triple H, Cena, Dwayne Johnson, Cody, everyone immediately on board with the whole thing. Had they pushed Cena to do that before or no?

So here's what I thought was interesting about that whole process. Number one, John Cena's merchandise still off the charts. Wow. Top of show at every event or almost every event. The sort of collective decision to make that heel turn. Yeah. Triple H, Cena, Dwayne Johnson, Cody, everyone immediately on board with the whole thing. Had they pushed Cena to do that before or no?

So here's what I thought was interesting about that whole process. Number one, John Cena's merchandise still off the charts. Wow. Top of show at every event or almost every event. The sort of collective decision to make that heel turn. Yeah. Triple H, Cena, Dwayne Johnson, Cody, everyone immediately on board with the whole thing. Had they pushed Cena to do that before or no?

Not since I had been at WWE and not since Triple H had been in charge of creative. So I don't know, 10, 15 years ago, perhaps, but certainly not in the last five years.

Not since I had been at WWE and not since Triple H had been in charge of creative. So I don't know, 10, 15 years ago, perhaps, but certainly not in the last five years.

Not since I had been at WWE and not since Triple H had been in charge of creative. So I don't know, 10, 15 years ago, perhaps, but certainly not in the last five years.

As you know, one of the greatest heel turns in the history of wrestling. But as you just articulated, sort of had to be done. Cena on his final run with us, You even saw the fans prior to the heel turn, the ones who were saying Cena sucks and we love Cena. There was no more Cena sucks. It was 98% overwhelmingly positive reaction to John Cena for at least the last couple of years.

As you know, one of the greatest heel turns in the history of wrestling. But as you just articulated, sort of had to be done. Cena on his final run with us, You even saw the fans prior to the heel turn, the ones who were saying Cena sucks and we love Cena. There was no more Cena sucks. It was 98% overwhelmingly positive reaction to John Cena for at least the last couple of years.

As you know, one of the greatest heel turns in the history of wrestling. But as you just articulated, sort of had to be done. Cena on his final run with us, You even saw the fans prior to the heel turn, the ones who were saying Cena sucks and we love Cena. There was no more Cena sucks. It was 98% overwhelmingly positive reaction to John Cena for at least the last couple of years.

So to do it when, again, Triple H and Cena and everyone else decided to do it, I thought was phenomenally effective and really smart.