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Nick Lane

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

But the membrane is five nanometers in thickness.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

So that's five millionths of a millimeter.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

So if you shrank yourself down to the size of a molecule or stood next to that membrane,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

you would experience 30 million volts per meter, which is equivalent to a bolt of lightning.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

So that's the strength of the force of the voltage across the membrane, which is colossal.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And it's generated by really sophisticated proteins that pump protons across the membrane.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And then it's ATP synthase, which is, again, pretty much universal.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And it's a rotating nanomotor that sits in the membrane.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

This is colossally complex, interesting machinery.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And it's universally conserved.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

It's as conserved as, say, a ribosome.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

The protein-building factors are pretty much everywhere across life.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

So you wonder, how on earth did life come to be that way?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And if it's conserved universally across life, it looks like it goes right back to the common ancestors of all the cells.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And so there's the question, how did it arise in the first place?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And that was actually for me tremendously thrilling because it's a way in as a researcher to the origin of life.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

It says, how did these energy generating systems arise in the first place?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And my way in was really the gates were opened by Bill Martin and Mike Russell, who around the early 2000s were publishing some amazing papers together where they were saying that in this deep sea hydrothermal vent, rather than it being like a black smoker with a chimney with smoke belching out of the top, it's like a mineralized sponge.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

with lots of pores that are cell-like in their structure and you've got an acidic early ocean and you've got alkaline fluids coming out of these and you've got mixing going on in this whole system and so you could at least imagine that you've got a pore in here which is a bit like a cell in terms of its size and its shape and on the outside you've got acid ocean waters percolating in and on the inside you've got these hydrothermal fluids so you've got a barrier

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

you've got an inside and an outside, and you've got more protons outside coming in, potentially driving work.