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Nick Lane

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

Well, not as we understand consciousness.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

But the way we would understand consciousness is really about neural nets and nervous system and all the complexity of human consciousness.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

That's what we primarily think about.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

But there's a deep problem which goes back, I mean, it's the mind-body problem, but it was framed by David Chalmers as the hard problem of consciousness, which boils down as my understanding of this is more or less we don't know what a feeling is in physical terms.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

So you can understand the information processing of a neural network, but what actually if you feel miserable and you feel pain?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

Or you feel love or whatever it may be.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

What actually is that in the chemistry of a system?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And I suppose the problem is that you have all of these neural nets firing and some of them are conscious.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

We're aware of what we're thinking about.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

And others which seem to have all the same properties in terms of their neurons.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

They have synapses.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

They have neurotransmitters.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

They depolarize.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

They pass on an action potential.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

But we're not conscious of it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

It's non-conscious information processing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

So there's this question, okay, so if anesthetics affect things that don't have neural nets and feelings are something that we can't define in terms of a neural net, could it be that feelings are somehow linked more broadly to life?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

So why would they be?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

So again, the way I think about this is as an evolutionary biologist.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Nick Lane – Life as we know it is chemically inevitable

So the first question is, would we think that feelings are real?