Nick Martel

Executive producers are Dave Easton, Jenny Lauer-Beckman, Erin O'Flaherty, and Marsha Louis for Wondery. If you like the best one yet, you can listen ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. And before you go, tell us a little bit about yourself by filling out a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.

Executive producers are Dave Easton, Jenny Lauer-Beckman, Erin O'Flaherty, and Marsha Louis for Wondery. If you like the best one yet, you can listen ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. And before you go, tell us a little bit about yourself by filling out a short survey at wondery.com slash survey.