Nick Martell

It sounds like he knows you better than anybody.

You started a business with your best friend, something everyone warns you not to do because friendship can get in the way of business.

Nick and I did the same thing.

Nick was my freshman year college roommate.

After freshman year, we sublet a place from UVM Kids right on College Street in Burlington.

When I studied abroad in Berlin, Nick visited me.

When Nick transferred to Brown, I still visited him on the Brown campus.

Why do you think launching a business with your best friend was the right move?

We hope you aired on bigger.

As we're getting to the end here, really to kind of crystallize a core point and the core crux in question, a lot of our listeners are curious about, you know, Jack and I have noticed some companies put pros before cos.

They put profits before customers.

Well, you put customers before profits.

You've done the opposite of what most companies would do.

So we're curious if that's more profitable in the long term.

Or as Jack and I were saying to put it, does this create an ice cream sundae effect or an ice cream headache?

Well, Ben, thank you so much for your time.

It's an inspiring story.

But before we go, we'd love to hit you with some rapid fire questions.

If you got two more minutes, we got a few rapid fires for you.

Hit me, baby.