Nick Martell

That's right.

But what we're curious, this actually leads perfectly to a question we really like to ask every guest because it matters whether you are working in marketing at a company in Brooklyn or you're working as a president of the Fed, and it's how you make decisions.

Metrics versus magic, information versus intuition, graphs versus guts, imagining versus engineering.

Where do you fall on the spectrum of using data

versus using vibes, like science versus art for how you make a decision?

No, I'm always curious about it though, because Jack and I always talk about how, you know, like you can get interesting intel when you're talking to, we just mentioned a DoorDash delivery, DoorDash delivery driver.

It tells you a lot.

He's working a lot right now or not.

Or, you know, Jack and I have found even with the show,

the data shows our audience average listener is a certain age.

But what the data doesn't show is that a lot of them are families listening.

So their kids are also enjoying the show.

And we learned that through like reviews and surveys, not through our Spotify data on who has the account.

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Somebody who's not at that humongous table in Washington, D.C.

is the president.

So let's talk independence from politics.

You've said it doesn't say anything in the Federal Reserve Act about making the White House happy, and it doesn't say anything about making the stock market happy.

Who is the Fed supposed to make happy?