Nick Offerman

pointed me in the right direction, was how interconnected all of us actually are.

So not only is nature in our backyard and in our windowsills and everywhere around us, but we also are just as much a part of that nature as El Capitan or any panda.

And that our relationships with each other

You know, person to person, but also like Europeans to indigenous North Americans and every other permutation.

All of that is also part of our respect for nature.

It's all connected.

That's what really jumped out at me was, OK, and that focused more on Aldo Leopold, the agrarian from Madison, Wisconsin.

And his writing in a Sand County almanac and other places about how you have to pay attention and respect and value every cog and wheel in nature's mechanism, not just the star players.

You need everybody on the bench as well.

Well, speaking of Valdo, you conclude where the deer and the antelope play with a quote by him.

You write, ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching, even when doing the wrong thing is legal.

What made you decide to end the book this way?

Well, because when it comes down to it, I think we're all complicit in this society one way or another.

As soon as you send a check to an electric company,

You're giving away your agency.

You're giving away your vote in what's happening in that particular part of nature.

So you're sending money to a corporation saying, okay, and I can turn on my light switch now.

Great.

Thank you.

By the way, I assume you're going to be cool with the way you're making this electricity, right?