Nick Pell

It becomes really difficult to talk about modern slavery if we limit the definition to chattel slavery, because a lot of modern slavery isn't chattel slavery. It's what we call forced labor. So you're basically working what's usually a very dangerous and deeply unpleasant job in abusive working conditions and not being paid for it.

And to be clear, there's all kinds of abuse that takes place in these forced labor environments, sexual assault, beatings, what have you.

And to be clear, there's all kinds of abuse that takes place in these forced labor environments, sexual assault, beatings, what have you.

And to be clear, there's all kinds of abuse that takes place in these forced labor environments, sexual assault, beatings, what have you.

Well, I'm also worried about that. But you're correct that it's not being paid for your labor as a slave is the least of your worries when you're a slave.

Well, I'm also worried about that. But you're correct that it's not being paid for your labor as a slave is the least of your worries when you're a slave.

Well, I'm also worried about that. But you're correct that it's not being paid for your labor as a slave is the least of your worries when you're a slave.

So some things never change, and one of them is that you can't get something for nothing. If you want to make things happen, you need one of two things. You need muscle or fire. You have to yoke a bunch of horses together or get a bunch of dudes to work together, or you need to light something on fire and use the energy from that to power a machine.

So some things never change, and one of them is that you can't get something for nothing. If you want to make things happen, you need one of two things. You need muscle or fire. You have to yoke a bunch of horses together or get a bunch of dudes to work together, or you need to light something on fire and use the energy from that to power a machine.

So some things never change, and one of them is that you can't get something for nothing. If you want to make things happen, you need one of two things. You need muscle or fire. You have to yoke a bunch of horses together or get a bunch of dudes to work together, or you need to light something on fire and use the energy from that to power a machine.

The big change between ancient history and today is we've got way better stuff to light on fire. We've got oil. We've got coal. We've got magic rocks that boil water for us. There's less need for muscle. But the ancients didn't have any of that. They had wood. And so they had to lean a lot harder on muscle.

The big change between ancient history and today is we've got way better stuff to light on fire. We've got oil. We've got coal. We've got magic rocks that boil water for us. There's less need for muscle. But the ancients didn't have any of that. They had wood. And so they had to lean a lot harder on muscle.

The big change between ancient history and today is we've got way better stuff to light on fire. We've got oil. We've got coal. We've got magic rocks that boil water for us. There's less need for muscle. But the ancients didn't have any of that. They had wood. And so they had to lean a lot harder on muscle.

I'm so glad that my Jewish wife can't hear any of this to react to it. Actually, as everybody knows, the pyramids were built by aliens.

I'm so glad that my Jewish wife can't hear any of this to react to it. Actually, as everybody knows, the pyramids were built by aliens.

I'm so glad that my Jewish wife can't hear any of this to react to it. Actually, as everybody knows, the pyramids were built by aliens.

Yeah, you guys are not allowed to enjoy classical architecture anymore.

Yeah, you guys are not allowed to enjoy classical architecture anymore.

Yeah, you guys are not allowed to enjoy classical architecture anymore.

Yeah, these kinds of large-scale architecture and infrastructure projects are definitely one of the bigger uses of slavery in the ancient world, which isn't to say that every...