Nick Pell

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're asking like how many people is it getting onto opioids versus how many people is it getting off of opioids?

In other words, who's like who's graduating from Kratom?

We don't really have research on this.

My gut says benefits largely outweigh the negatives because.

As our last conversation about friends of yours engaged in certain activities indicated, grownups who want to get real drugs are going to get them.

I'm sure out there there's some guy whose Fent addiction started when he got a taste for Kratom, but it's such an outlier.

I mean, I like coffee and energy drinks and like I'm not looking to get into meth.

And I think that that analogy is really apt.

There are two surveys and one study.

Neither one is terribly scientific.

In 2017, Pain News Network did a survey of 6,000 Kratom users, and they found that 51% used it to manage chronic pain and 25% use it to stop or reduce opioid abuse.

Right.

It's not scientific.

And they're using data only from people who actually returned the survey, which is quite a filter.

Next, we've got the American Kratom Association 2020 survey, which suffers from the same problems as the last one, as well as being put out by an industry organization.

Their survey had about 8,000 respondents, 48% reported that they use Kratom to deal with opioid addiction or other substance abuse.

But again, this is probably the least trustworthy set of information we have.

That said, there's some correlation with the previous survey.