Nick Viall

And that just like, obviously it's a different type of storyline.

It just, it like, I just, it like a light bulb went on my head.

It just reminded me of me hearing, I would like have women friends, some of which would eventually get on the show and they would tell me like, I met that guy a few years back.

He told me all this crazy bullshit.

And it just like, and it's true that like so many people who are fans of these shows, you know, that's why we do this show because there's so many like, what is it really like?

Is it real?

Is it not real?

Like how does...

you know, how does the producers work, you know, like storylines and things like that.

And it was just like, it had such an icky feeling that clearly West is using his like celebrity and the fascination that people have with these shows is a way to kind of control and manipulate the women in his lives.

And it was just like, so kind of like, yeah, just a little icky.

Cause I've seen it so much over the years with other people in reality TV.

And it was just like the same type of,

And the guys I know who did that were always the trashiest of guys who just really used their being on TV for a few minutes just to score with women.

What do you feel like his game plan was?

So it's almost like, do you feel like he did that hoping that fans would then start, like, sipping them?

You know, the whole, like, oh, we want you guys to date.

And then the fans would almost give Wes and Amanda permission structure to actually be like, no, maybe we should.

And then they would...

You think that was it?