Nick Viall

And cheers to all the young hot people.

Great questions.

I think like all reality, the first seasons when no one knows the rules are best and they're the most unpredictable and mundane, but also get to really operatic highs.

So and there's like a little bit of camp just because it's older and it's like a bit of a different generation.

So the tits are higher.

The tans are, you know, more intense, like everything's a little different.

And I love that.

I could watch that.

for days, you know, when it's not of the moment, that's exciting to me.

But it's catching up.

It's different, but it's catching up, I think.

Oh, that was a nice segue, right?

I do.

Oh my God, it took me so long.

It took four or five years.

We were at the very end of editing Pen15, the final season.

And I, yeah, but I had a bunch of dramatic stuff happen that year in my personal life and like just wanted to write about it.

And then it took me four, yeah, four to five years to, I don't want to do the exact math because it's too humbling.

It might end up being six, but yeah.

Yeah, it was it was everything you think it was like bizarre and a little lonely writing in a room and for so long and also like really cathartic.