Nick Viall

What's going on there?

And Alex is like, whoa, whoa, I don't know what you're talking about.

Like, I have a normal life, and you're being really weird asking me all these questions.

And actually, do you want me to, like, show you the receipts?

I feel attacked.

Like, it's just, like, Ashley is just like, what's going on here?

Yeah.

And Alex is being all Darvo about it.

The problem with Dakota and Taylor, they have their own versions of it.

So Dakota, I would say, is more strategic about his Darvo.

It's more of a manipulation tool.

So when he gets vulnerable, I think that his vulnerability looks really real.

Like, oh, I'm sorry.

I lied.

I shouldn't have done that.

I should have been more transparent.

then he starts to cry or get teary, and that feels really compelling.

But that could also be seen as him doing a little bit of denial and then a little bit of attack because we're kind of getting sucked into his story.

And then he can be very specific about the timing

Of his stuff, like the timing of like, I think, are we all on the same page now that like he was probably the one who like released the video and gave it to TMZ?