Nick Viall

I've actually the first reality show that I was a huge fan of was The Bachelor.

So I was a fan of yours for a while, but I've watched every season ever since it premiered.

And I'm a little disappointed that we don't get this recent one.

I'm rooting for Dakota and Taylor.

I find them both to be really likable in lots of different ways and also kind of scary and concerning in other ways.

I think both of them are kind of suffering from like this high insight and low change sort of situation where even on your podcast and when they talk to the camera or they do interviews or they do reunions, it really feels like they understand what is going on

with them like emotionally and in their psyche and the way that they i don't think that they're kind of using therapy speak in and like in a not in a genuine way i think they're using it in a way because they go to therapy they understand themselves they have a bunch of insight but i think part of the problem is that they talk about their insight so much that it feels like change in a way or it feels like they could change but when the rubber hits the road

They don't change and it feels really upsetting.

And then they have this like abuse pattern that they cycle through over and over again.

So, yeah, I'm rooting for them.

I also see myself.

I think we all see ourselves in them a little bit so we can connect with things that they do or we can feel really let down by the decisions that they make sometimes.

So there's also like this parasocial relationship to it that really gets us glued to them.

Yeah, let's get into the definition.

But I also want to say that Dakota and Taylor...

Their relationship is so complicated and nuanced and layered that these definitions don't cleanly fit into their situation.

And they both kind of like have a role that they're playing here.

So DARVO stands for Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.

So it's like, no, I didn't do it.

You did it.