Nicola Talent

I think ultimately we don't need to go through all of this.

No.

But ultimately what happens is Tweed doesn't really get anywhere.

And he doesn't really have a very strong strategy because I don't really think he has a very strong case.

He's been, you know, he's taken on this job for somebody and there's a lot of problems with what he's trying to do.

He's trying to get the paedophile thing retracted, despite the fact your man is on the sex offenders register, despite the fact there's all these civil lawsuits in existence.

for worse claims than what he's actually convicted of, despite his conviction.

So he's kind of really fighting a losing battle.

But he still tries and he gives advice to Epstein about the press.

What is it?

The press?

The press complaints.

Complaints that he says that's a good way really of kind of starting, almost like he doesn't use the word, but it's almost as good way of starting to gag the media.

And Tweed, ultimately, I think, also, sorry, Epstein, because he's more used to the US media, he's not used to these sort of trudging steps you have to go through in order to...

have something retracted or even get into a discussion about having something retracted.

But I think the documents... So ultimately, basically, he doesn't even particularly seem to want to pay Tweed and Tweed ends up going back to him and saying, listen, I'll take 50% of this if I want you as a client.

He calls him a blue chip client at one stage.

And...

Yeah, no, it seems to be really mean.

The Tweed thing as well, it's interesting because you get an idea.