Nicola Tallent

But I just wanted to see them in the flesh.

And they didn't disappoint.

And carries himself, his shoulders back and he bulks himself along like that.

Wouldn't want to be sitting beside him because they get much space on a plane.

Not many.

A couple of young women, very young women.

A couple of young women.

Also dressed in tracksuits, glamorous, you know, straightened hair, nails, makeup on them for the day and the occasion.

But not many of them.

They're sitting behind us.

In the seats.

In particular, Jason, who's the big bulky guy in the middle and really seems to be the leader of the pack from the body language and from the way he behaves and the others follow him.

So anyway, the courtroom is full and I'm sure they feel like celebrities.

You know, it is.

There's a lot of guards there, quite a lot of heavy media presence for, of course, the incident they're there for is so out there and graphic, which is why we're there.

We're not there because they're this hugely successful organized crime group, because they're anything but there.

So they're not... You look at any of the money laundering, as we were saying, you're looking at 5,000, 10,000, maximum 20,000.

These are not...

proper organised criminals even though we call them that.

Yeah.