Nicola Tallent

And then can you imagine the thrill of... I'm going to cancel myself here now if I don't stop, but the thrill of actually getting away with something.

I kind of get them.

I wouldn't have the bravery or the courage maybe to do some of the things they do.

Or maybe I wouldn't have...

CCTV and all that.

Definitely.

And serial killers, as we know them, as we see them in the movies, are nearly, I'm going to say, a thing of the past, but not everywhere in the world, but in some places they are.

And at the same time, a serial killer is somebody who can murder two or more people with a period in between where they have a break.

So there's plenty of those that aren't necessarily the likes of those that we're going to talk about that, you know, make suits out of human skin and the like.

Ed Gein.

You have been working on a film which will be out at some point this year for Channel 4, which is all around this sort of psychopaths, sociopaths, what is that?

We're not going to talk about the details of exactly what you're doing, but I was interested to see that...

You were sort of chosen, you loved it because a couple of your friends and people close to you had suggested, are you a sociopath?

Are you a psychopath?

And when you look back on those big, famous sort of serial killers, there is a kind of voyeurism to how we...

looked at them and, you know, how they were turned into these monsters and dramas, which of course they were.

Which of those big name serial killers really interest you and why?

And he's the guy I mentioned that, by the way, for anybody who doesn't know, he wanted to make a suit out of skin, didn't he?

He was very mentally ill.

He was a rarity, wasn't he, as well?