Nicola Tallent

No, because you've thought about it, you've considered it.

And I think that's the thing.

I think nowadays people who do watch and are interested in this educate themselves all the time.

Look, those extreme, I certainly feel sorry for people who do things that you know they shouldn't be in public at all.

And there's obviously something mad going on inside their head, this paranoia, delusions, all of that.

I think we should feel that we let them down in a way because our society doesn't have enough mental health facility or funding towards that.

Why are they a monster?

It's not black and white, really, is it?

And I suppose, I mean, like, and your film going forward adds to it.

But growing as a society over the decades, like back, way back, we used to believe that it was a birth injury that made somebody like that, you know, forceps during birth or that.

Now, we were kind of coming along the frontal lobe as people began to understand the brain and all the rest of it.

But there was all sorts of reasons put forward that people were bad.

And I think as we've come to this point and we will understand more going forward, we now understand that it is traumas in childhood plus early life.

It is sometimes people are born and the brain isn't properly wired and that they may need treatment or something for that.

there's that other sort of element, that bad or evil thing, which I think is we don't understand that yet.

But, you know, every time somebody attempts to delve into the likes of what is psychopathy, as you will, we learn something new.

And I think it's interesting as well that you've probably looked on this, but there is positives with it for living life because you do have certain aspects of both it and sociopathy that do very well in business or in successful people.

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