Nicola Tallent

It happens a lot, doesn't it, in prison that these like-minded people befriend one another.

Yeah, like take Harry Daly.

What's the situation with him?

Does this happen within Arbor Hill?

Because I think it used to be, was it the Granada Institute?

So is it observing this as almost an addiction and trying to teach people how it's unacceptable in society and how they have to handle it and not sort of... I'm not sure they treat it as an addiction.

Yeah.

In my experience, a lot of people who are convicted in relation to, you know, paedophilia, child sex abuse, that kind of thing, they absolutely do not see that there's anything wrong with it.

They think there's something wrong with you because you think, you know, they'll...

By and large, deny the offences unless there's something in it for them to plead guilty.

They serve their time, but it feels as if they aren't in any way fixed.

And there is that whole debate on whether you can or you can't fix them or whether you can just manage them, which is really what the Sex Offenders Register is about, trying to manage these people in society, know where they are, somewhat know what they're doing from their addresses and etc.,

So just that program, what sort of things are they teaching them?

Is it life skills?

Yeah, I think there's a mix of everything.

Is it when they go on the exercise, when they do the walks and all that sort of thing?

As they reintegrate into society.

Harry Daly's sort of activities then by setting up a TikTok site and all that would sort of, well, he has.

Is the apology meaningful if he comes out and does that?

For sure.