Nicole Lapin

Gwen, as you know, we end all of our episodes by asking guests for a tip that listeners can take straight to the bank.

But with everything that you've just opened up about, I would actually love to hear a tip for anybody who needs to do something good for their mental health while going through business chaos.

Is there something that you've done to protect your peace in the midst of all of these painful experiences?

I'm Nicole Lappin, the only financial expert you don't need a dictionary to understand.

It's time for some money rehab.

Is renting really throwing away money?

That is just one of the real estate topics that I get into today with Paul Mark Morris, real estate investor and host of the podcast Radical Wealth Plan.

And I know that everyone these days with an Instagram account thinks that they are a real estate investor, but Paul is the real deal.

His real estate firm oversees 2,000 realtors who have closed more than $7 billion in deals annually.

So as a real estate guy through and through, he is the perfect person to have the rent versus buy debate with.

As you know, I have a little bit more love for renting than most financial experts.

Paul also gives a full-on masterclass in the art and science of closing a sale.

Paul does what every finance bro has threatened to do since the Wolf of Wall Street.

He sells me a pen.

But actually,

He crushes it.

And as a side note, after the interview, Paul kindly mailed both me and our producer pens, which I just think is the greatest relationship building move.

10 out of 10.

Highly recommend the interview after this.

I am so excited you head up to Big Sur with my husband this fall.