Nicole Matusko

I was shocked that Jacob Fisher was willing to take the stand in his own defense. I was more shocked that he had more or less admitted that it was him inside the home, but had just indicated to the jury that he was there to confront Amar because he was in love with Badur and... he and Badur were going to be together. So he needed to basically allow a peaceful divorce.

I was shocked that Jacob Fisher was willing to take the stand in his own defense. I was more shocked that he had more or less admitted that it was him inside the home, but had just indicated to the jury that he was there to confront Amar because he was in love with Badur and... he and Badur were going to be together. So he needed to basically allow a peaceful divorce.

And then Ammar had assaulted him. And Jacob Fisher, because of his training in the military, had just responded. And he happened to have a camp axe in his hand. So that's how Ammar got the 24 chop wounds.

And then Ammar had assaulted him. And Jacob Fisher, because of his training in the military, had just responded. And he happened to have a camp axe in his hand. So that's how Ammar got the 24 chop wounds.

In that moment, we were also in a bit of a disbelief that it was happening the way that it was happening. But he stuck to his ground, and he actually testified that Badur was not involved or didn't know that the murder was going to happen.

In that moment, we were also in a bit of a disbelief that it was happening the way that it was happening. But he stuck to his ground, and he actually testified that Badur was not involved or didn't know that the murder was going to happen.

During the cross, we were just trying to poke holes in as many parts of his statement as possible.

During the cross, we were just trying to poke holes in as many parts of his statement as possible.

Ultimately, he was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder as well as murder. So from that conviction, it's pretty apparent that the jury didn't believe that testimony.

Ultimately, he was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder as well as murder. So from that conviction, it's pretty apparent that the jury didn't believe that testimony.

This is a very circumstantial case that we had to prove based on a lot of search warrants and putting a lot of pieces together. So the concern would be we believed that she was responsible, but we wouldn't be able to meet that burden of proof.

This is a very circumstantial case that we had to prove based on a lot of search warrants and putting a lot of pieces together. So the concern would be we believed that she was responsible, but we wouldn't be able to meet that burden of proof.

Badour and Ammar had dash cameras in their cars as well. So we actually had video of Badour's day that day and what she was doing. So we were able to piece together and actually show the jury that when she remotely disabled that alarm, she was still driving with her children in the car.

Badour and Ammar had dash cameras in their cars as well. So we actually had video of Badour's day that day and what she was doing. So we were able to piece together and actually show the jury that when she remotely disabled that alarm, she was still driving with her children in the car.

So I think that made it easier to understand that it wasn't just she was turning off an alarm, but that something else was happening.

So I think that made it easier to understand that it wasn't just she was turning off an alarm, but that something else was happening.

for example, the surveillance footage from Kroger. You can't see who is driving. We had testimony that she spent a lot of time with Jacob Fisher that day and they carried in bags from Kroger, but we couldn't prove who was the driver. So it was circumstantial evidence that we were asking the jury to rely on in their own common sense as to what transpired.

for example, the surveillance footage from Kroger. You can't see who is driving. We had testimony that she spent a lot of time with Jacob Fisher that day and they carried in bags from Kroger, but we couldn't prove who was the driver. So it was circumstantial evidence that we were asking the jury to rely on in their own common sense as to what transpired.

So their defense for Badur was really they didn't meet their burden of proof.

So their defense for Badur was really they didn't meet their burden of proof.