Nicole Richie

I was like, this is the man for me. Stop. And do you think he was into you at first? Yes. He ended up texting. Yeah. Or email.

I was like, this is the man for me. Stop. And do you think he was into you at first? Yes. He ended up texting. Yeah. Or email.

Whatever was happening back then. AOL. Play it for life. What was your AIM? Okay. Okay. My first AIM. Name was Princess NR because I had a dog named Princess. Okay. Then I got a second name, Ballerina Girl NR, because Ballerina Girl is a song that my dad wrote and the song is after me. So I just like made that my name. Okay. So anyway, one day I was...

Whatever was happening back then. AOL. Play it for life. What was your AIM? Okay. Okay. My first AIM. Name was Princess NR because I had a dog named Princess. Okay. Then I got a second name, Ballerina Girl NR, because Ballerina Girl is a song that my dad wrote and the song is after me. So I just like made that my name. Okay. So anyway, one day I was...

Like we were exchanging screen names or whatever, like to, to like a group of friends. And it was, this is like when it was new. So we were like calling each other by their names, you know? And I was like, and so like, we sat there for an hour and everyone was like, okay, later, like whatever, whatever later, dah, dah, dah. And I was like, and then they looked at me and they go, see you later.

Like we were exchanging screen names or whatever, like to, to like a group of friends. And it was, this is like when it was new. So we were like calling each other by their names, you know? And I was like, and so like, we sat there for an hour and everyone was like, okay, later, like whatever, whatever later, dah, dah, dah. And I was like, and then they looked at me and they go, see you later.

Baller in a girl. And I said, no, whoa, whoa, whoa. Baller in a girl. I said, I cannot believe for a straight hour you thought that my name was baller in a girl. So now some of my friends still call me that.

Baller in a girl. And I said, no, whoa, whoa, whoa. Baller in a girl. I said, I cannot believe for a straight hour you thought that my name was baller in a girl. So now some of my friends still call me that.

Baller in a girl. That anyone would think that that would be my screen name. Imagine you calling yourself a baller. Yeah. And honestly, I have ever since. What was yours?

Baller in a girl. That anyone would think that that would be my screen name. Imagine you calling yourself a baller. Yeah. And honestly, I have ever since. What was yours?

Love. Yeah, love.

Love. Yeah, love.

Was it the same night? I don't know. I feel like it was around Thanksgiving weekend, and it was pretty fast, I feel like, when you met him.

Was it the same night? I don't know. I feel like it was around Thanksgiving weekend, and it was pretty fast, I feel like, when you met him.

I loved it. You did?

I loved it. You did?

It was on .com from the day we hung out.

It was on .com from the day we hung out.

I was a fan of Good Charlotte and he also, when he asked me to go to his house, he hates when I tell this story. He asked me, he was like, do you want to come over and watch TV? And I was like, yeah, I do. And he goes, do you watch The Wire? I've never seen The Wire in my life. I go, The Wire is my favorite show. He goes, great, why don't you come over and watch it?

I was a fan of Good Charlotte and he also, when he asked me to go to his house, he hates when I tell this story. He asked me, he was like, do you want to come over and watch TV? And I was like, yeah, I do. And he goes, do you watch The Wire? I've never seen The Wire in my life. I go, The Wire is my favorite show. He goes, great, why don't you come over and watch it?

Now, listen, obviously The Wire is an amazing show. Okay, I'm not dissing The Wire. But, okay, I'm a girl. He just like threw me into like season three. There's no music. And I, for a very long time, pretended like I watched and loved The Wire.

Now, listen, obviously The Wire is an amazing show. Okay, I'm not dissing The Wire. But, okay, I'm a girl. He just like threw me into like season three. There's no music. And I, for a very long time, pretended like I watched and loved The Wire.

I think like a few years after. Years? Yeah, we had kids. Nicole! But we have since re-watched The Wire. And Joel's from Baltimore. Joel's from Maryland. So it's like, it's one of our go-to shows.

I think like a few years after. Years? Yeah, we had kids. Nicole! But we have since re-watched The Wire. And Joel's from Baltimore. Joel's from Maryland. So it's like, it's one of our go-to shows.

But it always reminds me of when we first met because I... really threw myself into that show.

But it always reminds me of when we first met because I... really threw myself into that show.

I throw parties now. But when I was younger, I did not throw like wild parties at my house.

I throw parties now. But when I was younger, I did not throw like wild parties at my house.

Yeah. I didn't want anyone like stealing my things or anything.

Yeah. I didn't want anyone like stealing my things or anything.

I would actually describe you as kind of the same. You're so fun. We always have the most wild time and are always laughing. You are also extremely tender, sentimental, and just like always wanting everyone around you to be happy.

I would actually describe you as kind of the same. You're so fun. We always have the most wild time and are always laughing. You are also extremely tender, sentimental, and just like always wanting everyone around you to be happy.

Once I was hospitalized, I got crashed into.

Once I was hospitalized, I got crashed into.

I'm so sorry. Yeah. My son was like six weeks old. He was not in the car. Thank God. Thank God. Yeah.

I'm so sorry. Yeah. My son was like six weeks old. He was not in the car. Thank God. Thank God. Yeah.

I feel like At the time, it was very hard to implement any sort of like boundaries because the world was not really acting like you deserved that at all. And I was so young and just like didn't know how to stand up for myself like that. So I was just like...

I feel like At the time, it was very hard to implement any sort of like boundaries because the world was not really acting like you deserved that at all. And I was so young and just like didn't know how to stand up for myself like that. So I was just like...

I was just I like I accepted a lot more, which I think is very common for your 20s of just like accepting that things that that I would never accept now.

I was just I like I accepted a lot more, which I think is very common for your 20s of just like accepting that things that that I would never accept now.

We did go through a stage where we would wear shoes with wheels on them. And we would roller skate all night. And I this was at the same time I had my ball python Cleopatra and she would come with me as well. What? So I had a ball python. Her name was Cleopatra. She was Gorge. And I would wear her around my neck like a necklace.

We did go through a stage where we would wear shoes with wheels on them. And we would roller skate all night. And I this was at the same time I had my ball python Cleopatra and she would come with me as well. What? So I had a ball python. Her name was Cleopatra. She was Gorge. And I would wear her around my neck like a necklace.

And we'd put on our shoes with wheels and we would like roller skate all night. Would you go out with this?

And we'd put on our shoes with wheels and we would like roller skate all night. Would you go out with this?

Of course.

Of course.

and stunning bitch. Thanks bitch.

and stunning bitch. Thanks bitch.

No, she no, she loved being with me. She was so I miss her.

No, she no, she loved being with me. She was so I miss her.

They were just like, yeah. So we would come and like swoop-dee-doo all night.

They were just like, yeah. So we would come and like swoop-dee-doo all night.

Yeah, you'd be like, oh, I'll be right back. And then whoop. You're like, one second.

Yeah, you'd be like, oh, I'll be right back. And then whoop. You're like, one second.

Well, because they were like, if you don't, I actually don't think we said 21. I think we said we're 15 because we, in our minds, thought that was like old. We changed it. We did? Yes, and we didn't have fake IDs. Yeah, and so they were like, what's your name? I think you said Jenny Stone because we went to school with her. Stop. Poor Jenny. Her parents are getting a call.

Well, because they were like, if you don't, I actually don't think we said 21. I think we said we're 15 because we, in our minds, thought that was like old. We changed it. We did? Yes, and we didn't have fake IDs. Yeah, and so they were like, what's your name? I think you said Jenny Stone because we went to school with her. Stop. Poor Jenny. Her parents are getting a call.

And they were like, we're going to arrest you if you don't tell us your parents' names. So then they came. Your parents came. They got us. Your dad, who's the kindest, sweetest, most soft-spoken man, turned to us. I'll never forget it. And he goes, I knew this was a bad idea. Like screaming at us. He's like, I knew this was a bad idea. You lied to us. And you are never hanging out again.

And they were like, we're going to arrest you if you don't tell us your parents' names. So then they came. Your parents came. They got us. Your dad, who's the kindest, sweetest, most soft-spoken man, turned to us. I'll never forget it. And he goes, I knew this was a bad idea. Like screaming at us. He's like, I knew this was a bad idea. You lied to us. And you are never hanging out again.

Cut to the simple life. We got separated a lot. Remember when I had a piano, my piano lesson at my house and I like didn't want, they were like, okay, it's time for, cause we were always at each other's houses. So it was like, okay, it's time for the piano lesson. You guys have to stop. Paris has to go home. And we were like, No, we don't want to.

Cut to the simple life. We got separated a lot. Remember when I had a piano, my piano lesson at my house and I like didn't want, they were like, okay, it's time for, cause we were always at each other's houses. So it was like, okay, it's time for the piano lesson. You guys have to stop. Paris has to go home. And we were like, No, we don't want to.

And so we were holding hands and they were like, come on, guys, come on. And my nanny like was pulling me and like my housekeeper was pulling her. And then we grabbed this hand and this hand and someone who was holding our legs up. So we were just like flying to the

And so we were holding hands and they were like, come on, guys, come on. And my nanny like was pulling me and like my housekeeper was pulling her. And then we grabbed this hand and this hand and someone who was holding our legs up. So we were just like flying to the

But we were just like being cute and we wanted to go to the Mirage and see the tigers.

But we were just like being cute and we wanted to go to the Mirage and see the tigers.

Yes.

Yes.

Well, we were two. So I don't know. Yes.

Well, we were two. So I don't know. Yes.

We start filming the moment we got on the plane, I think.

We start filming the moment we got on the plane, I think.

OK. Or I think the night before because we had a goodbye party.

OK. Or I think the night before because we had a goodbye party.

No, no, you were. I was I was a skating school instructor and I was very good.

No, no, you were. I was I was a skating school instructor and I was very good.

OK, well, let me just tell you, this song is beautiful. And I did talk to you about all of our musical talents. But what I didn't say is that we wrote this song ourselves when we were seven, if you can believe it. I mean, the talent in this room. It's really bursting. I have chills just from talking about it.

OK, well, let me just tell you, this song is beautiful. And I did talk to you about all of our musical talents. But what I didn't say is that we wrote this song ourselves when we were seven, if you can believe it. I mean, the talent in this room. It's really bursting. I have chills just from talking about it.

What did your dad say when he heard it for the first time? He was like jealous and wanted to put it on his album. And I was like, no.

What did your dad say when he heard it for the first time? He was like jealous and wanted to put it on his album. And I was like, no.

From day one. So we went to the same school, but we also had the same piano teacher outside of school. We had our tap recital together. Orchestra. Yeah.

From day one. So we went to the same school, but we also had the same piano teacher outside of school. We had our tap recital together. Orchestra. Yeah.

It's not going to be good enough for you because it really isn't like it's never good enough for people. OK, what happened? It's not even like there's nothing.

It's not going to be good enough for you because it really isn't like it's never good enough for people. OK, what happened? It's not even like there's nothing.

It's that combined with like, and we are in our 20s and we had no time, like it wouldn't happen now because, you know, I think like we were just so young that we didn't even know like how to communicate with each other. So like, you know, if we were hearing something, we just would assume, is that true? Is that not true? And we didn't have the communication skills that we

It's that combined with like, and we are in our 20s and we had no time, like it wouldn't happen now because, you know, I think like we were just so young that we didn't even know like how to communicate with each other. So like, you know, if we were hearing something, we just would assume, is that true? Is that not true? And we didn't have the communication skills that we

have now to like have check-ins, which is so important.

have now to like have check-ins, which is so important.

It makes me, yes. I mean, it makes me sad, like whatever. I don't care about the media. It makes me like sad to think about a time without my friend. Um, I think that it has really helped me in my communicating at this stage in my life. Yeah. Um,

It makes me, yes. I mean, it makes me sad, like whatever. I don't care about the media. It makes me like sad to think about a time without my friend. Um, I think that it has really helped me in my communicating at this stage in my life. Yeah. Um,

And, you know, I think just with all relationships, like it's so important to have check ins and to be honest and real and, you know, tender with the people that you love the most.

And, you know, I think just with all relationships, like it's so important to have check ins and to be honest and real and, you know, tender with the people that you love the most.

And then we graduated on to orchestra. And we love our orchestra teacher, Mr. Hauser, who's in. Shout out to Mr. Hauser, who I'm sure watches this all the time.

And then we graduated on to orchestra. And we love our orchestra teacher, Mr. Hauser, who's in. Shout out to Mr. Hauser, who I'm sure watches this all the time.

Um, I'm doing fab. How are you?

Um, I'm doing fab. How are you?

We were friends for a long time before anyone even knew because our, our families are friends, you know? And so like, like we've been, we've been friends our entire lives. So, you know, when you're like, and I don't mean to belittle it at all, but when you're like talking about some fight, like I watched,

We were friends for a long time before anyone even knew because our, our families are friends, you know? And so like, like we've been, we've been friends our entire lives. So, you know, when you're like, and I don't mean to belittle it at all, but when you're like talking about some fight, like I watched,

You know, I watch it with like other 20 year olds that I know and they're they're like going through a little thing and then they're back going through a little thing and then they're back. But because ours was a part of a TV show, it just blew up to be something that was so big that it became impossible to like connect to or have any sort of like real connection.

You know, I watch it with like other 20 year olds that I know and they're they're like going through a little thing and then they're back going through a little thing and then they're back. But because ours was a part of a TV show, it just blew up to be something that was so big that it became impossible to like connect to or have any sort of like real connection.

like feeling around it, you know, because like it just became so, and, and, and is like, you know, we're sitting here talking about it now, you know? And I'm like, yeah, like I, there's nothing that like lives in the, on the surface in me. Like I, you know, I have to really like, I don't know. It was just, it, it became something that was like otherworldly.

like feeling around it, you know, because like it just became so, and, and, and is like, you know, we're sitting here talking about it now, you know? And I'm like, yeah, like I, there's nothing that like lives in the, on the surface in me. Like I, you know, I have to really like, I don't know. It was just, it, it became something that was like otherworldly.

And then... And we were, you know, I mean, this is all over text. So I said, should we do something? And Paris wrote back, should we? And I said, okay, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it over the new year. I mean, it was the first time that I think we both really like considered... Because we both have had people come to us and be like... Do you want to do it again? And we're like, no, what?

And then... And we were, you know, I mean, this is all over text. So I said, should we do something? And Paris wrote back, should we? And I said, okay, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it over the new year. I mean, it was the first time that I think we both really like considered... Because we both have had people come to us and be like... Do you want to do it again? And we're like, no, what?

OK, well, I did get class clown in both of my schools.

OK, well, I did get class clown in both of my schools.

You can't do that again. It's not realistic. And no, that time was so special. And it just was. And it was really nice because there wasn't anyone else on the call. It was just the two of us. And for that, I would say two weeks.

You can't do that again. It's not realistic. And no, that time was so special. And it just was. And it was really nice because there wasn't anyone else on the call. It was just the two of us. And for that, I would say two weeks.

Where it was like just us, Carter and Joel knew, you came over, we had tacos and we just like talked about if we were to celebrate, you know, the 20 year anniversary, what would that look like? And, you know, that part was very nice. I mean, the whole thing's been nice, but like that part was very special because no one even knew.

Where it was like just us, Carter and Joel knew, you came over, we had tacos and we just like talked about if we were to celebrate, you know, the 20 year anniversary, what would that look like? And, you know, that part was very nice. I mean, the whole thing's been nice, but like that part was very special because no one even knew.

It's been amazing. I mean, it's just been so, we were talking about it even before we started and you were like, how has it been, you know, doing press, you know, with, with like your friend and just the whole thing. And it's just been so amazing. It really has like.

It's been amazing. I mean, it's just been so, we were talking about it even before we started and you were like, how has it been, you know, doing press, you know, with, with like your friend and just the whole thing. And it's just been so amazing. It really has like.

spending time with my friend, but also working together, going out into the world and doing press together, which is a very nerve wracking thing. Yes. And it's been so nice. I was talking to you about it last weekend. I was saying, I wish we could just do everything together because it's just so fun. And like, you know, it's just like makes it like we laugh the whole time.

spending time with my friend, but also working together, going out into the world and doing press together, which is a very nerve wracking thing. Yes. And it's been so nice. I was talking to you about it last weekend. I was saying, I wish we could just do everything together because it's just so fun. And like, you know, it's just like makes it like we laugh the whole time.

Yeah. And they just like didn't let us do all the things. And like we also used to get treated as one. So like if the leader of our group got mad at one of us, both of us were out.

Yeah. And they just like didn't let us do all the things. And like we also used to get treated as one. So like if the leader of our group got mad at one of us, both of us were out.

Yeah. I mean, we didn't even choose it. It just happened.

Yeah. I mean, we didn't even choose it. It just happened.

14.

14.

We went, this is actually, we were not 14. We were younger, but we were 14. Her parents were going to Vegas. My parents were getting divorced. And so I... as any up-and-coming teenager would do, I told my mom I was going to my dad's. I told my dad I was staying with my mom. And I went to Vegas. And her parents would go to parties, and we loved this musical called Starlight Express.

We went, this is actually, we were not 14. We were younger, but we were 14. Her parents were going to Vegas. My parents were getting divorced. And so I... as any up-and-coming teenager would do, I told my mom I was going to my dad's. I told my dad I was staying with my mom. And I went to Vegas. And her parents would go to parties, and we loved this musical called Starlight Express.

And we would sneak into the show, and we would just watch it at night. And then during the day, we would take taxis and go. leave the strip and go to the Boulevard Mall to the exotic pet stores and we would get ferrets and chinchillas and then we would sneak them back into California because they're illegal here.

And we would sneak into the show, and we would just watch it at night. And then during the day, we would take taxis and go. leave the strip and go to the Boulevard Mall to the exotic pet stores and we would get ferrets and chinchillas and then we would sneak them back into California because they're illegal here.

Thanksgiving? I host every year. Oh, um, I do the whole family and everyone's extended families, friends come over, um, It's a big thing in my house and I do it every year. Are you cooking? I don't cook on Thanksgiving. I cook every other day of the year. I cook 364 days a year. Not Thanksgiving. Why? Because I'm just being a gorge host and that is a job within itself.

Thanksgiving? I host every year. Oh, um, I do the whole family and everyone's extended families, friends come over, um, It's a big thing in my house and I do it every year. Are you cooking? I don't cook on Thanksgiving. I cook every other day of the year. I cook 364 days a year. Not Thanksgiving. Why? Because I'm just being a gorge host and that is a job within itself.

Yeah. Kind of romantic. Very romantic, yes.

Yeah. Kind of romantic. Very romantic, yes.

They did not make the trip, no.

They did not make the trip, no.

Well, I had security at the house, so I was never, sneaking out was not even an option for me.

Well, I had security at the house, so I was never, sneaking out was not even an option for me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My dad's was the easiest, yes.

My dad's was the easiest, yes.

Yeah, he was gone, so that was fun.

Yeah, he was gone, so that was fun.

Yeah, we had to wear uniforms in school. And then the summer program was called Summer Games. And my mom would buy like six of the shirts that we would have to wear and she would put shoulder pads in them. This is late 80s.

Yeah, we had to wear uniforms in school. And then the summer program was called Summer Games. And my mom would buy like six of the shirts that we would have to wear and she would put shoulder pads in them. This is late 80s.

shoulder pads in them and bedazzle them and so we would like we would always dress as twins and then when we were a little bit older like once we were 11 we would go to Contempo Casuals and Judy's and our parents would buy like treat us like twins they would buy us like remember the burgundy bell-bottom dress that was so cute yes we we have to rewind why shoulder pads because it was the 80s and like that's just it was cool it was very cool yes

shoulder pads in them and bedazzle them and so we would like we would always dress as twins and then when we were a little bit older like once we were 11 we would go to Contempo Casuals and Judy's and our parents would buy like treat us like twins they would buy us like remember the burgundy bell-bottom dress that was so cute yes we we have to rewind why shoulder pads because it was the 80s and like that's just it was cool it was very cool yes

Who was the bigger shopaholic? I would say you're very like, you're like a little more like manic and you're like, I want it all, right? It's my ADHD as well. I just, I love it all.

Who was the bigger shopaholic? I would say you're very like, you're like a little more like manic and you're like, I want it all, right? It's my ADHD as well. I just, I love it all.

Me. Yeah.

Me. Yeah.

I would say me because my first real boyfriend's AOL name was Playa for the number four life. And I was devastated and shocked to my core when he cheated on me. I couldn't believe it. I was like, where were the signs? How did you find out he cheated? So he cheated on me three times. Once was on the Peter Pan ride at Disneyland. And I know this because every time I ride, I go.

I would say me because my first real boyfriend's AOL name was Playa for the number four life. And I was devastated and shocked to my core when he cheated on me. I couldn't believe it. I was like, where were the signs? How did you find out he cheated? So he cheated on me three times. Once was on the Peter Pan ride at Disneyland. And I know this because every time I ride, I go.

They have four legs. P-L-A-Y-A. At AOL. At AOL.com. Email him. Anyone who wants to email. Email him. I'm sure he's still around. Okay. Peter Panride. Peter Panride. And then one of the girls. So I had like heard about it. I asked him. He obviously said no. And then one of the girls was really nice and got on the phone with me and told me. And she was like, he said that you guys were broken up.

They have four legs. P-L-A-Y-A. At AOL. At AOL.com. Email him. Anyone who wants to email. Email him. I'm sure he's still around. Okay. Peter Panride. Peter Panride. And then one of the girls. So I had like heard about it. I asked him. He obviously said no. And then one of the girls was really nice and got on the phone with me and told me. And she was like, he said that you guys were broken up.

I'm so sorry. And then this is when conference... Conference had just gotten where, like, you could... If you had like the elevated conference, you could still get call waiting while you were on conference with somebody else. So we called him on conference. He obviously was like, I'm not I'm not going to admit anything. And then we had someone call her.

I'm so sorry. And then this is when conference... Conference had just gotten where, like, you could... If you had like the elevated conference, you could still get call waiting while you were on conference with somebody else. So we called him on conference. He obviously was like, I'm not I'm not going to admit anything. And then we had someone call her.

So she got a call waiting, flipped to the other call, came back, and then he admitted it. Horrible. Yes. You moved on. Yeah, I mean, I moved on, but I was like, I was really shook. I was like, I cannot believe I got cheated. Getting cheated on sucks. Oh, it's horrible.

So she got a call waiting, flipped to the other call, came back, and then he admitted it. Horrible. Yes. You moved on. Yeah, I mean, I moved on, but I was like, I was really shook. I was like, I cannot believe I got cheated. Getting cheated on sucks. Oh, it's horrible.

No.

No.

Yeah, no. I wanted it to be like a major motion picture, like a punishment.

Yeah, no. I wanted it to be like a major motion picture, like a punishment.

A real thing. Tell me. Admit it. Yeah, I was like, I know. But I waited until like I was. That was fun, kind of.

A real thing. Tell me. Admit it. Yeah, I was like, I know. But I waited until like I was. That was fun, kind of.

But when you're in it, you're like when you're in it, it's so devastating. You can't survive. It affects you for life completely. I actually saw one of the girls at a party and I was like, you know, you like rile yourself up and your friends are like, what are you going to what are you going to do? She's coming. She's coming. And I was like, I'm going to beat her up.

But when you're in it, you're like when you're in it, it's so devastating. You can't survive. It affects you for life completely. I actually saw one of the girls at a party and I was like, you know, you like rile yourself up and your friends are like, what are you going to what are you going to do? She's coming. She's coming. And I was like, I'm going to beat her up.

OK, I've never hit anyone in my life. And then like finally, like, you know, you're saying it for so long and then she got there. So the whole party was like, Nicole, she's here. She's here. And I was like, ah, and I like walked up to her. I don't even know what I thought I was going to do. And her friend literally just went like this thing. And I.

OK, I've never hit anyone in my life. And then like finally, like, you know, you're saying it for so long and then she got there. So the whole party was like, Nicole, she's here. She's here. And I was like, ah, and I like walked up to her. I don't even know what I thought I was going to do. And her friend literally just went like this thing. And I.

flew across the party I'd have a chance and um anyway we ended up going to college together so she's my friend kind of you're like bye never mind wait now you're friends yeah I mean I haven't seen her in like loose yeah yeah but if I saw her I'd be like oh my god

flew across the party I'd have a chance and um anyway we ended up going to college together so she's my friend kind of you're like bye never mind wait now you're friends yeah I mean I haven't seen her in like loose yeah yeah but if I saw her I'd be like oh my god

No.

No.

I have to say our focus wasn't really like guys. We didn't have to. That was not like we always just wanted to have fun.

I have to say our focus wasn't really like guys. We didn't have to. That was not like we always just wanted to have fun.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I agree. It's too hardcore and I'm like entertaining people and I've got like, it's too much.

I agree. It's too hardcore and I'm like entertaining people and I've got like, it's too much.

No, I mean, sadly, I think I just said that to gross Janet out. I don't think I really meant it.

No, I mean, sadly, I think I just said that to gross Janet out. I don't think I really meant it.

Joel, I think, would get annoyed at like so many girls all at one time. Yeah. Yeah.

Joel, I think, would get annoyed at like so many girls all at one time. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't think they're coming.

I don't think they're coming.

No, I had not dabbled with musicians. But our friend set us up not in a serious way at all. She was like, you're single and he's single. So this is probably not going to be serious, but you guys should hang out. And we did. And I don't know if you've met Joel before. I think you did because, yes, yes, yes. But Joel is very shy, very shy.

No, I had not dabbled with musicians. But our friend set us up not in a serious way at all. She was like, you're single and he's single. So this is probably not going to be serious, but you guys should hang out. And we did. And I don't know if you've met Joel before. I think you did because, yes, yes, yes. But Joel is very shy, very shy.

So the first night I met him, he actually didn't speak to me. And I was like, this is my husband. Yeah.

So the first night I met him, he actually didn't speak to me. And I was like, this is my husband. Yeah.

I was like, this is the man for me. Stop. And do you think he was into you at first? Yes. He ended up texting. Yeah. Or email.

Whatever was happening back then. AOL. Play it for life. What was your AIM? Okay. Okay. My first AIM. Name was Princess NR because I had a dog named Princess. Okay. Then I got a second name, Ballerina Girl NR, because Ballerina Girl is a song that my dad wrote and the song is after me. So I just like made that my name. Okay. So anyway, one day I was...

Like we were exchanging screen names or whatever, like to, to like a group of friends. And it was, this is like when it was new. So we were like calling each other by their names, you know? And I was like, and so like, we sat there for an hour and everyone was like, okay, later, like whatever, whatever later, dah, dah, dah. And I was like, and then they looked at me and they go, see you later.

Baller in a girl. And I said, no, whoa, whoa, whoa. Baller in a girl. I said, I cannot believe for a straight hour you thought that my name was baller in a girl. So now some of my friends still call me that.

Baller in a girl. That anyone would think that that would be my screen name. Imagine you calling yourself a baller. Yeah. And honestly, I have ever since. What was yours?

Love. Yeah, love.

Was it the same night? I don't know. I feel like it was around Thanksgiving weekend, and it was pretty fast, I feel like, when you met him.

I loved it. You did?

It was on .com from the day we hung out.

I was a fan of Good Charlotte and he also, when he asked me to go to his house, he hates when I tell this story. He asked me, he was like, do you want to come over and watch TV? And I was like, yeah, I do. And he goes, do you watch The Wire? I've never seen The Wire in my life. I go, The Wire is my favorite show. He goes, great, why don't you come over and watch it?

Now, listen, obviously The Wire is an amazing show. Okay, I'm not dissing The Wire. But, okay, I'm a girl. He just like threw me into like season three. There's no music. And I, for a very long time, pretended like I watched and loved The Wire.

I think like a few years after. Years? Yeah, we had kids. Nicole! But we have since re-watched The Wire. And Joel's from Baltimore. Joel's from Maryland. So it's like, it's one of our go-to shows.

But it always reminds me of when we first met because I... really threw myself into that show.

I throw parties now. But when I was younger, I did not throw like wild parties at my house.

Yeah. I didn't want anyone like stealing my things or anything.

I would actually describe you as kind of the same. You're so fun. We always have the most wild time and are always laughing. You are also extremely tender, sentimental, and just like always wanting everyone around you to be happy.

Once I was hospitalized, I got crashed into.

I'm so sorry. Yeah. My son was like six weeks old. He was not in the car. Thank God. Thank God. Yeah.

I feel like At the time, it was very hard to implement any sort of like boundaries because the world was not really acting like you deserved that at all. And I was so young and just like didn't know how to stand up for myself like that. So I was just like...

I was just I like I accepted a lot more, which I think is very common for your 20s of just like accepting that things that that I would never accept now.

We did go through a stage where we would wear shoes with wheels on them. And we would roller skate all night. And I this was at the same time I had my ball python Cleopatra and she would come with me as well. What? So I had a ball python. Her name was Cleopatra. She was Gorge. And I would wear her around my neck like a necklace.

And we'd put on our shoes with wheels and we would like roller skate all night. Would you go out with this?

Of course.

and stunning bitch. Thanks bitch.

No, she no, she loved being with me. She was so I miss her.

They were just like, yeah. So we would come and like swoop-dee-doo all night.

Yeah, you'd be like, oh, I'll be right back. And then whoop. You're like, one second.

Well, because they were like, if you don't, I actually don't think we said 21. I think we said we're 15 because we, in our minds, thought that was like old. We changed it. We did? Yes, and we didn't have fake IDs. Yeah, and so they were like, what's your name? I think you said Jenny Stone because we went to school with her. Stop. Poor Jenny. Her parents are getting a call.

And they were like, we're going to arrest you if you don't tell us your parents' names. So then they came. Your parents came. They got us. Your dad, who's the kindest, sweetest, most soft-spoken man, turned to us. I'll never forget it. And he goes, I knew this was a bad idea. Like screaming at us. He's like, I knew this was a bad idea. You lied to us. And you are never hanging out again.

Cut to the simple life. We got separated a lot. Remember when I had a piano, my piano lesson at my house and I like didn't want, they were like, okay, it's time for, cause we were always at each other's houses. So it was like, okay, it's time for the piano lesson. You guys have to stop. Paris has to go home. And we were like, No, we don't want to.

And so we were holding hands and they were like, come on, guys, come on. And my nanny like was pulling me and like my housekeeper was pulling her. And then we grabbed this hand and this hand and someone who was holding our legs up. So we were just like flying to the

But we were just like being cute and we wanted to go to the Mirage and see the tigers.

Yes.

Well, we were two. So I don't know. Yes.

We start filming the moment we got on the plane, I think.

OK. Or I think the night before because we had a goodbye party.

No, no, you were. I was I was a skating school instructor and I was very good.

OK, well, let me just tell you, this song is beautiful. And I did talk to you about all of our musical talents. But what I didn't say is that we wrote this song ourselves when we were seven, if you can believe it. I mean, the talent in this room. It's really bursting. I have chills just from talking about it.

What did your dad say when he heard it for the first time? He was like jealous and wanted to put it on his album. And I was like, no.

From day one. So we went to the same school, but we also had the same piano teacher outside of school. We had our tap recital together. Orchestra. Yeah.

It's not going to be good enough for you because it really isn't like it's never good enough for people. OK, what happened? It's not even like there's nothing.

It's that combined with like, and we are in our 20s and we had no time, like it wouldn't happen now because, you know, I think like we were just so young that we didn't even know like how to communicate with each other. So like, you know, if we were hearing something, we just would assume, is that true? Is that not true? And we didn't have the communication skills that we

have now to like have check-ins, which is so important.

It makes me, yes. I mean, it makes me sad, like whatever. I don't care about the media. It makes me like sad to think about a time without my friend. Um, I think that it has really helped me in my communicating at this stage in my life. Yeah. Um,

And, you know, I think just with all relationships, like it's so important to have check ins and to be honest and real and, you know, tender with the people that you love the most.

And then we graduated on to orchestra. And we love our orchestra teacher, Mr. Hauser, who's in. Shout out to Mr. Hauser, who I'm sure watches this all the time.

Um, I'm doing fab. How are you?

We were friends for a long time before anyone even knew because our, our families are friends, you know? And so like, like we've been, we've been friends our entire lives. So, you know, when you're like, and I don't mean to belittle it at all, but when you're like talking about some fight, like I watched,

You know, I watch it with like other 20 year olds that I know and they're they're like going through a little thing and then they're back going through a little thing and then they're back. But because ours was a part of a TV show, it just blew up to be something that was so big that it became impossible to like connect to or have any sort of like real connection.

like feeling around it, you know, because like it just became so, and, and, and is like, you know, we're sitting here talking about it now, you know? And I'm like, yeah, like I, there's nothing that like lives in the, on the surface in me. Like I, you know, I have to really like, I don't know. It was just, it, it became something that was like otherworldly.

And then... And we were, you know, I mean, this is all over text. So I said, should we do something? And Paris wrote back, should we? And I said, okay, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it over the new year. I mean, it was the first time that I think we both really like considered... Because we both have had people come to us and be like... Do you want to do it again? And we're like, no, what?

OK, well, I did get class clown in both of my schools.

You can't do that again. It's not realistic. And no, that time was so special. And it just was. And it was really nice because there wasn't anyone else on the call. It was just the two of us. And for that, I would say two weeks.

Where it was like just us, Carter and Joel knew, you came over, we had tacos and we just like talked about if we were to celebrate, you know, the 20 year anniversary, what would that look like? And, you know, that part was very nice. I mean, the whole thing's been nice, but like that part was very special because no one even knew.

It's been amazing. I mean, it's just been so, we were talking about it even before we started and you were like, how has it been, you know, doing press, you know, with, with like your friend and just the whole thing. And it's just been so amazing. It really has like.

spending time with my friend, but also working together, going out into the world and doing press together, which is a very nerve wracking thing. Yes. And it's been so nice. I was talking to you about it last weekend. I was saying, I wish we could just do everything together because it's just so fun. And like, you know, it's just like makes it like we laugh the whole time.

Yeah. And they just like didn't let us do all the things. And like we also used to get treated as one. So like if the leader of our group got mad at one of us, both of us were out.

Yeah. I mean, we didn't even choose it. It just happened.

14.

We went, this is actually, we were not 14. We were younger, but we were 14. Her parents were going to Vegas. My parents were getting divorced. And so I... as any up-and-coming teenager would do, I told my mom I was going to my dad's. I told my dad I was staying with my mom. And I went to Vegas. And her parents would go to parties, and we loved this musical called Starlight Express.

And we would sneak into the show, and we would just watch it at night. And then during the day, we would take taxis and go. leave the strip and go to the Boulevard Mall to the exotic pet stores and we would get ferrets and chinchillas and then we would sneak them back into California because they're illegal here.

Thanksgiving? I host every year. Oh, um, I do the whole family and everyone's extended families, friends come over, um, It's a big thing in my house and I do it every year. Are you cooking? I don't cook on Thanksgiving. I cook every other day of the year. I cook 364 days a year. Not Thanksgiving. Why? Because I'm just being a gorge host and that is a job within itself.

Yeah. Kind of romantic. Very romantic, yes.

They did not make the trip, no.

Well, I had security at the house, so I was never, sneaking out was not even an option for me.

Yeah.

My dad's was the easiest, yes.

Yeah, he was gone, so that was fun.

Yeah, we had to wear uniforms in school. And then the summer program was called Summer Games. And my mom would buy like six of the shirts that we would have to wear and she would put shoulder pads in them. This is late 80s.

shoulder pads in them and bedazzle them and so we would like we would always dress as twins and then when we were a little bit older like once we were 11 we would go to Contempo Casuals and Judy's and our parents would buy like treat us like twins they would buy us like remember the burgundy bell-bottom dress that was so cute yes we we have to rewind why shoulder pads because it was the 80s and like that's just it was cool it was very cool yes

Who was the bigger shopaholic? I would say you're very like, you're like a little more like manic and you're like, I want it all, right? It's my ADHD as well. I just, I love it all.

Me. Yeah.

I would say me because my first real boyfriend's AOL name was Playa for the number four life. And I was devastated and shocked to my core when he cheated on me. I couldn't believe it. I was like, where were the signs? How did you find out he cheated? So he cheated on me three times. Once was on the Peter Pan ride at Disneyland. And I know this because every time I ride, I go.

They have four legs. P-L-A-Y-A. At AOL. At AOL.com. Email him. Anyone who wants to email. Email him. I'm sure he's still around. Okay. Peter Panride. Peter Panride. And then one of the girls. So I had like heard about it. I asked him. He obviously said no. And then one of the girls was really nice and got on the phone with me and told me. And she was like, he said that you guys were broken up.

I'm so sorry. And then this is when conference... Conference had just gotten where, like, you could... If you had like the elevated conference, you could still get call waiting while you were on conference with somebody else. So we called him on conference. He obviously was like, I'm not I'm not going to admit anything. And then we had someone call her.

So she got a call waiting, flipped to the other call, came back, and then he admitted it. Horrible. Yes. You moved on. Yeah, I mean, I moved on, but I was like, I was really shook. I was like, I cannot believe I got cheated. Getting cheated on sucks. Oh, it's horrible.

No.

Yeah, no. I wanted it to be like a major motion picture, like a punishment.

A real thing. Tell me. Admit it. Yeah, I was like, I know. But I waited until like I was. That was fun, kind of.

But when you're in it, you're like when you're in it, it's so devastating. You can't survive. It affects you for life completely. I actually saw one of the girls at a party and I was like, you know, you like rile yourself up and your friends are like, what are you going to what are you going to do? She's coming. She's coming. And I was like, I'm going to beat her up.

OK, I've never hit anyone in my life. And then like finally, like, you know, you're saying it for so long and then she got there. So the whole party was like, Nicole, she's here. She's here. And I was like, ah, and I like walked up to her. I don't even know what I thought I was going to do. And her friend literally just went like this thing. And I.

flew across the party I'd have a chance and um anyway we ended up going to college together so she's my friend kind of you're like bye never mind wait now you're friends yeah I mean I haven't seen her in like loose yeah yeah but if I saw her I'd be like oh my god

No.

I have to say our focus wasn't really like guys. We didn't have to. That was not like we always just wanted to have fun.

Yeah.

I agree. It's too hardcore and I'm like entertaining people and I've got like, it's too much.

No, I mean, sadly, I think I just said that to gross Janet out. I don't think I really meant it.

Joel, I think, would get annoyed at like so many girls all at one time. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't think they're coming.

No, I had not dabbled with musicians. But our friend set us up not in a serious way at all. She was like, you're single and he's single. So this is probably not going to be serious, but you guys should hang out. And we did. And I don't know if you've met Joel before. I think you did because, yes, yes, yes. But Joel is very shy, very shy.

So the first night I met him, he actually didn't speak to me. And I was like, this is my husband. Yeah.