Nicolle Wallace

Yeah.

Well, and I think that knits together all these, you know, I worry about all the things we're not paying attention to.

I think the freneticism and the coverage didn't help anybody.

It was impossible to track it all.

So we tried to learn from folks like yourself and go deep on a couple of stories a day.

I like that you are focused on the moment we're in.

I do find some of the analysis is still stuck in this, you know, holding their breath, waiting to snap back to the norms.

I think over 12 years, the norms are gone.

They're gone.

And we need to have a conversation about new norms.

Well, the thing about Mamdani that's so fascinating is Donald Trump just lifted the political cloud over him.

I don't know how the right comes after him on all of the racist smears when Trump fell in love with him on live TV.

I mean, it is like the mirror of J6.

It happened on live TV.

You can't deny it.

You know, Trump in 2017 tells his supporters, don't believe what you see.

Don't believe what you hear.

Only believe me.

And I was on live TV when it happened.

I played it and I was like, what?