Nicolle Wallace

Yeah, J.D.

Vance, who once called Trump America's Hitler.

Yeah.

You're a student of the human condition.

What do you think explains that conversion?

We talked last week about Minneapolis being one of the first new characters in the 10 years that we've been talking about and covering Trump.

The city across race, across age, across partisanship has stood up to him.

Do you think that is a sign of the people of Minneapolis feeling like, hey, the Republicans aren't going to say anything.

The Democrats haven't been able to save us.

We got to save ourselves.

Yeah.

Because Trump likes to create the conditions of fear so that his dominance is easy.

He doesn't actually get in the ring and have difficult fights.

He likes to rule by fear.

What is it about speaking out?

Like, to me, it doesn't seem like a choice for you to speak out.

I can't imagine you not speaking out when you see something wrong.

I think about all of the feeble efforts to stop him.

Mitt Romney wanted to disqualify him for not revealing his taxes, which seems quaint now.

But when you look at the way he's enriching himself from foreign governments, from the taxpayer, traditionally Americans don't like that.