Nicolle Wallace

I mean, do you think that people shy away from it or do you think they try to get at the human?

It's crazy.

Mm-hmm.

What you just said, people going about their lives.

I have a lot of sympathy for that, right?

And me going about my life is from a place of profound privilege.

But my sense in just one year of Trump's term is that no one is safe, right?

You could be just driving through a protest and you could end up cut out of your car.

Oh, there it is.

We talked about the book How Democracies Die by Stephen Levinsky.

And I've read On Tyranny by Timothy Snyder.

And the first page is about obeying in advance what you're talking about with the tech guys.

It feels that that piece of it is all about what you're talking about, just deciding to be brave, deciding to be strong, even if it's, as you said, not what you thought you'd be doing right now.

Your bakery, your convenience store, your school, your bus driver.

New York City, you played a big role.

You play a big role in who we think of ourselves as, as a city.

And in its comeback after 9-11, I keep thinking about, you know, if people who don't respect the truth, if people who don't respect the FBI, people who don't respect the Department of Justice, what do you worry about for our city with these guys in charge?

The last thing I wanted to ask you about was you're so busy still sort of reading and thinking about the country and about our elections and our democracy.

Do you ever sit around with Martin Scorsese and talk about the scope of your career?

Do you just plow forward?