Nicolle Wallace

You write in your memoir about polarization being a national security vulnerability for our country.

Will you explain?

And to your point, and Russia's a perfect example of how they're braided together, because I may have worked for the last...

sort of Russia hawk when I worked for John McCain.

It was something he cared about a lot.

And there wasn't a big divide.

President Obama had a similar worldview.

The idea that now one of the country's two political parties is not only not repulsed,

by that which is good for Vladimir Putin and Russia, but that you sort of climb a political ladder in the MAGA media ecosystem by being more and more pro-Putin is such an inversion of our politics.

And I wonder how you unring that bell.

Do you think he understands the history of World War II?

I mean, I guess I start there because the legacy of who we are is so knitted into the greatest generation.

It has been until now beyond politics and beyond debate to go to Normandy and honor those sacrifices.

And it seems that the enthusiasm for destroying NATO, which is a through line.

I mean, he's been indifferent about NATO.

I mean, I remember his first foreign trip in his first term.

I mean, obviously, H.R.

McMaster and Dina Powell couldn't get him to publicly commit to honoring our commitments to our allies when we're the only people that have ever called in a chit from NATO.

I mean, and so I often wonder if he understands why we're in NATO and what we get out of it.

And the speech in Davos makes clear that if he understands it, he either doesn't believe it or doesn't care.