Nicolle Wallace

Tim Snyder drills down on the piece that I think we see the most in the groups you talked about, universities, businesses, law firms, and that's obeying in advance.

And I wonder...

Why do you think they keep doing it?

Why do you think law firms continue to capitulate?

Yeah.

I mean, I guess I've looked to the business community with a tragic Republican view that they're people and that they were people who are the most successful people who have thrived most in our system and that they would have some civic duty to not being part of destroying democracy.

And...

I don't see a lot of people in the private sector exercised by much more than the things that impact them, like tariffs or firing Jerome Powell.

Do you see something different?

Do you see them concerned about the death of democracy on the streets of Minneapolis and around the country?

My conversation with Ambassador Susan Rice continues right after the break.

We'll see you on the other side.

I think some people feel like the rule of law inside the Department of Justice is already dead.

Do you?

A lot of people have this theory that all of this is a distraction from the Epstein files.

What is your sort of familiarity with the facts?

And what is your sense of the import of this story in where we are in our politics and all the things Trump's doing, some people think, to distract from the Epstein files?

Or it's also too strategic, right?

It's like they don't function that way, right?

They're just... But it's not either or.