Nicolle Wallace

This is something that I think we've had a hard time covering, the grifting.

There was such good reporting first at the Washington Post and then at the New York Times about the emoluments clause.

And I think we had to learn what that was.

And then we had to cover someone so brazenly violating it.

And then the Hatch Act was, I'm sure, governed everything you did, certainly governed everything I did.

People stopped covering the ethical violations because...

I don't know, maybe it was the volume business that Steve Bannon talked about, or maybe it just became so normalized.

But the ethics trespasses, the taking of a jet from Qatar, the taking of riches that'll never be tracked, the gifts that we don't even know about.

The crypto schemes.

The crypto scam.

I mean, in the first term, he had the Secret Service staying at his hotels.

God knows what they're doing.

I mean, the unbridled self-enrichment from the office of the presidency.

I mean, you were...

in a place where I'm sure you couldn't let a reporter take you out to lunch, let alone a business person.

I mean, what is happening that everyone is so zombied out to the disgusting self-enrichment of Trump and his family?

It's like out of Austin Powers.

I mean, this is just insanity.

Like, it's insane to a point where we are out of superlatives.

And so you're a sharp consumer and viewer of news.