Nicolle Wallace

And I used to read your reporting and call her and say, oh, my God, did you read what Oliver Darcy is writing?

And especially during the Chris Lick story.

How did you sort of have the presence of mind to cover your own institution like that?

I mean, I think everyone listening is nodding if they're in our business, but I just think it is the unicorn that does it.

And I will say, like, for my own part, I think the only time I covered Comcast was when Trump demolished the East Wing.

And...

they permitted us slash encouraged us to cover them as donors to Trump's East Wing project.

I guess the only other example is the hiring of Ronald McDaniel when we told our bosses, like, we have to cover this.

It is really hard to do on a day-in and day-out basis.

And I wonder...

If you can just talk a little bit more about how it's not that you, or I don't want to put words in your mouth, it's not that you relish negative coverage for your own company, but the alternative sends us down a really, really unappealing path as journalists.

Check your phone to see if you've been fired.

Okay, so tell me what is the biggest story right now that you're covering in our world, in the media world?

Well, and I also think if you look at where our industry is going, the relationship with the viewer slash listener is the whole ballgame.

And I don't view my competition every day when we figure out what to do at four o'clock.

Other TV outlets, I view it independent media.

We are competing for eyeballs with Substack, with people getting their information solely from podcasts because that's where the trust relationship is.

Just tell me how you see sort of your competition.

No, but they trust it.

They trust it.