Nilay Patel

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36,157 appearances 130 recordings 4 series first heard Aug 2024 last heard 2d ago

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Decoder with Nilay Patel · Does AI need an antitrust exemption so it doesn't kill everyone???? · 19 Sep 2026 podcast

Hello and welcome to Decoder. voice-verified

I'm Neil Apatow, editor-in-chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. voice-verified

This is part one of a two-part series we're doing on the future of business. voice-verified

The biggest story in tech right now is the spiraling debate about AI safety and regulation. voice-verified

Researchers at the big AI labs, including Anthropic and Google DeepMind, have recently quit in noisy ways, saying the models those companies are developing pose real threats voice-verified

and safety isn't being taken seriously across the industry. voice-verified

Other researchers have agreed, saying the chances of AI killing us all is greater than 10%. voice-verified

And the CEOs of all these companies have issued various calls to slow down development and develop regulation, including asking for antitrust exemptions so they can all coordinate on safety issues. voice-verified

That is a lot of ideas. voice-verified

And I've been especially curious about the ask for an antitrust exemption, which has led to accusations that these companies are seeking regulatory capture, attempting to form a cartel and even somehow find a way out from investor pressure ahead of their IPOs. voice-verified

So to make sense of it all, I called Jonathan Cantor, the former antitrust chief of the United States Department of Justice under the Biden administration. voice-verified

These days, he's both a professor of law at WashU and a professor of technology policy at Carnegie Mellon. voice-verified

During his time as the DOJ's antitrust chief, Cantor brought huge cases against Google, Apple, and Ticketmaster, and along with Lina Khan, led what amounted to a full reboot of American antitrust policy. voice-verified

He won those cases against Google and Ticketmaster, and that case against Apple is still live in the Trump administration, surprising many. voice-verified

That antitrust reboot has also led to some surprising alliances in the AI safety debate. voice-verified

Vowed libertarian and former Trump AI czar David Sachs has been approvingly retweeting Lina Khan, saying there's no need for an antitrust exemption. voice-verified

Again, this is a lot of ideas, and you're going to hear Jonathan and I really get into the weeds of how all this regulation might work, how it might interact with antitrust law, competition policy, and our relationship with China. voice-verified

Okay, Jonathan Kanter, former DOJ antitrust chief on AI safety and regulation. voice-verified

Here we go. voice-verified

Jonathan Cantor, you're the former head of the DOJ Antitrust Division in the Biden administration and a current professor of law at WashU and professor of technology policy at Carnegie Mellon. voice-verified

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