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Nilay Patel

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11911 total appearances

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Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

That's the open source AI agent framework that gave birth to Motebook.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

Peter released OpenClaw in November of 2025.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

It got popular last month, and now he has a job at OpenAI, probably with a hefty compensation package.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

Sam Altman announced this news on X, calling Steinberger, quote, a genius with a lot of amazing ideas about the future of very smart agents interacting with each other to do very useful things for people, and that, quote, we expect this will quickly become core to our product offerings.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

Is this the pace we're at now, where you can just create a project like OpenClaw and then a couple months later, Sam Altman is saying you're a genius and paying you huge sums of money to not even acquire your project, to just hire you?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

and put OpenKlana Foundation.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

I do think it was fascinating that a huge part of the OpenClaw story was people buying Mac minis to run OpenClaw on because they recognized the security risks and they needed to literally put this thing on a different computer.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

And then on that computer, they would log into all their accounts too.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

So they would undo their own air gap that they had created by buying a Mac mini.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

That feels like a big part of the overall AI story, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

Definitely.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

Google invented transformers and didn't release them because of safety concerns.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

OpenAI just put out TrashGPT and it got huge adoption because they didn't think anybody would use it, so they were less worried about safety concerns.

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Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

Everybody knew agents were a thing, but the security concerns were a big deal.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

One guy was like, screw it, OpenClaw.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

Security concerns abound, but the product went viral because it's really useful.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

He got hired for a bunch of money.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

Like that's the dynamic here, right, is the people who ignore the obvious security and trust and safety concerns get out to a big lead and then everyone feels like they're catching up.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

Is that the dynamic in sort of the labor market as a whole as well or is it just company by company?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Money no longer matters to AI's top talent

We need to take a quick break.