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Nilay Patel

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
11911 total appearances

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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

Sure.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

It seems obvious that Ring has a lot of trust to earn back here, and certainly that we're all thinking about what it means to put internet-connected security cameras on our homes.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

I think that's good, and it's certainly overdue.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

But let me complicate this just a little for you.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

At the same time this conversation about Ring is happening, we're also watching regular people record the police in ICE with their cell phones, capturing critical documentary evidence about how those agencies are violating the rights of everyday Americans in ways that is leading to change, however slow.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

Here's Minnesota Governor Tim Walz telling people to hit record when they see ice so the footage can be used in future prosecutions.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

And just this week, the FBI released video that Google appears to have gone and specially recovered from Nest camera systems at Nancy Guthrie's house in order to help identify her kidnapper.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

That's a lot of video that's being captured and used in ways that maybe don't feel so invasive.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

In some ways, maybe even feel good.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

But the systems that create, store, and share that video, they're all the same.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

And the guardrails around them are just as weak as whatever makes us feel uncomfortable about Ring.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

I'm not sure how to feel about all that video, especially in a world where AI makes it easy to fake, and having some source of truth seems more important than ever.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

Ask Jamie about that too, whether Ring will control all the video and sign it with some metadata so people can ensure it's real.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

presuming we have to have an authenticated server, right?

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

There's a crime in my neighborhood and I'm opted in and we're going to say the cops can only get the video from the ring server because that's where we know it's true.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

I might not be as in control of my video anymore.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

You get the feeling we'll be coming back to that idea quite a lot in the years to come.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

But today Ring has canceled its deal with Flock, and Flock itself is putting out blog posts flatly saying it does not have a contract with ICE, and noting that Ring's other partner Axon does have a contract with ICE.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

In the meantime, Dog Search Party is still active and on by default, although you can just go into settings in the Ring app and flip it off.

Decoder with Nilay Patel
Let's talk about Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state

And the enormous amount of video that we are all generating all the time