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I'm talking with Siemens CEO Roland Bush about what exactly Siemens is.

So your vision is like a fully automated factory.

You're talking about the sort of higher order jobs, like information jobs, technology jobs, engineering jobs.

I would call those software jobs, right?

Like in some broad categorization, there's some amount of white collar work that has a laptop involved.

That's the next thing you could automate with AI.

And you've made some gestures at that, right?