Nilay Patel

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38,319 appearances 137 recordings 4 series first heard Aug 2024 last heard yesterday

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Decoder with Nilay Patel · Can John Ternus find Apple's next big thing? · 21 Sep 2026 podcast

They'd gotten to some kind of divisional structure as they try to keep all these powerful people. voice-verified

What do you think that's going to do to the company? voice-verified

Or is that just going to be more of the same? voice-verified

retention of of P players. voice-verified

I actually would draw the connection between retention and AI. voice-verified

The not having that bench of younger people voice-verified

with new ideas or disruptive ideas, I think prevented them from seeing AI for what it was. voice-verified

That's a really good point. voice-verified

I think I think about w what came to be known as the Cook Doctrine, where Tim Cook would often say, we want to own and control every foundational technology that goes into our funds. voice-verified

And this is really just a statement of Apple's own paranoia about being chained to Intel for a long time or whate whatever it might be. voice-verified

They couldn't see a way to owning and controlling AI because it's just massive investment. voice-verified

They had just blown a bunch of money trying to make a car and they kind of missed it, right? voice-verified

They they don't have a model of their own that it competes at the frontier. voice-verified

And so they've distilled Google's model. voice-verified

And this feels like a pretty big jump away from the cook doctrine. voice-verified

Do you think they're gonna have to compete in AI by making their own investments on the frontier, or do you think they're happy where they are? voice-verified

And how stuff is happening. voice-verified

And to be fair, it's an advantage that there's no chance that Siri will kill us all. voice-verified

That it simply is not capable enough. voice-verified

Let me ask you about that. voice-verified

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