Nilay Patel

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38,319 appearances 137 recordings 4 series first heard Aug 2024 last heard yesterday

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Decoder with Nilay Patel · Can John Ternus find Apple's next big thing? · 21 Sep 2026 podcast

Cause right next to that, I mentioned Johnny Ive. voice-verified

He's obviously working with Sam Altman. voice-verified

Uh they're gonna build some set of products at OpenAI. voice-verified

A lot of Apple designers have gone over to OpenAI. voice-verified

There's a very contentious lawsuit between the two companies. voice-verified

Apple accuses OpenAI of of stealing internal information and product plans. voice-verified

OpenAI says this is just the normal course of business. voice-verified

We're just having conversations and job interviews. voice-verified

We'll see how that plays out. voice-verified

The threat voice-verified

Is that I've will design the next class of products using natural language input as the next generation user interface, the same way that the multi-touch screen was the next generation user interface on the iPhone. voice-verified

And that will disrupt all the old paradigms. voice-verified

And I I know that that's what he's thinking because when he made his very romantic launch video with Sam Altman, he described the phone and the laptop as legacy devices, which I thought was a very powerful thing for him to say. voice-verified

Given that he designed the paradigmatic examples of those things. voice-verified

But so I see it two ways. voice-verified

One, Apple has to get ahead of the curve somehow, right? voice-verified

If and if they don't have the frontier AI model, they can literally listen to anything you say and do anything you want, then what are they what are they gonna make this device out of? voice-verified

And then on the other side you have OpenAI, and if they don't have an Instagram app, everyone will still carry their iPhone with them. voice-verified

And then they will just use their iPhone because it has a big screen. voice-verified

And potentially unfolds into an even bigger screen. voice-verified

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