Nilay Patel

You can play Game Pass games anywhere because they're streaming from the cloud.

And we're going to get out of this race of console generations and exclusives.

Because they had essentially lost to Sony, permanently lost to Sony.

There was no coming back with a new generation.

Did that work?

I mean, I think we know now there's executive turnover.

It didn't work.

But did it ever work?

Was there ever a glimmer of it working?

This is over a decade ago.

It's worth noting that they ran into Apple's App Store rules.

Exactly.

And they were not able to do this in a way that actually worked.

I think you can blame Apple in a very significant way.

There's like pretty major antitrust ramifications of that, but Apple is still feeling it.

So it's really funny.

So when Phil Spencer was on the show in 2022, I asked him about this vision that the future of Xbox is Netflix.

Here's what he had to say.

Then there's the other part, which is,

man, it would be really cool if everyone just paid us $15 a month all the time.