Nina Funnell

Because this doesn't only affect the sexual assault survivors, it also affects the counsellors as well.

When their notes are subpoenaed and they feel powerless to stop it,

Or, you know, it's going to cost them an arm and a leg to hire a barrister for the day to try and challenge that subpoena.

Or their notes, there is no way for them to block it and the notes are just handed over.

They will often feel very violated themselves or they might feel like they let their client down because, you know, I've had one counsellor say to me, I lie in bed awake at night thinking maybe she never came to me, she'd be better off.

Yeah.

So we want this law reformed and we want people to get behind it.

How do we change it on a bigger scale?

This is like one of those age-old things that I often wrestle with.

Am I just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic?

Yeah.

And the origins of the system itself is flawed.

Which I agree with that too.

I also am pragmatic and realistic and it is the system we have and incremental change still has value.

I think though...

In the same way that I said at the beginning, justice comes in all different shapes and sizes and traditional justice is just one idea of justice.

Some people get justice by sharing their story.

Some people get justice through – there's a myriad of ways in which we can think about what that looks like for an individual.

I also think change comes in all different shapes and sizes and what people do – my form of activism or advocacy and change is using the media as a vehicle to –

to spark law reform or to try to generate systemic reform.