Nina Funnell

But the other thing was like, we really actually re-imagined how we do photography in this campaign and

And I think the other thing that for me was the win of that campaign was that generally when we report stories about sexual violence, the audience tends to skew very heavily female.

Suddenly, when I was doing the Let Her Speak, Let Us Speak campaign, we had huge numbers of men reading and we didn't know why initially.

And then we realised it was because we were hooking it on freedom of speech and

Turns out men really care about freedom of speech.

They really like that.

Particularly like conservative old white men.

So suddenly we had this captive audience of men and don't generally click on those stories, but who were now engaged and listening.

So my editor and I were like, all right, well, now we've got them.

Why don't we use this as like a bit of a Trojan horse to get some feminist vegetables into them and to educate them about things like victim blaming and rape myths, which is

which is what we did.

So yeah, I'm proud of that campaign and the reforms that it has achieved, but I'm also proud of some of the conversations that it started in some unexpected places.

You definitely should be.

Thank you.

Thank you so much for being you, Nina.

Yeah, I mean...

It's a bit of a double edged sword in the sense that a lot of the details that I'm looking at, particularly in police reports, are very graphic and very harrowing.

But the people themselves are extraordinary.

And the thing about my work is that I'm not a court reporter.

I'm not going.