Nir Bashan

I got to look at it, but it is incredibly high and it shouldn't be high.

So we have a lot of creative decisions being made to improve that.

In Norway, right, for instance, there is more common sense in dealing with a prisoner, even if they're prisoned, even if they've committed some very serious crimes, right?

There is less of a focus on punishing, more of a focus on rehabilitation.

Incredible things like, hey, you get to go home for the weekend.

Imagine that.

Imagine a prisoner in the U.S.

for grand larceny or whatever they're in for going home on the weekend.

And you say to yourself, well, why would you do that?

It's because our prison population is insanely high.

There is no real focus on rehabilitation.

And there should be because there's millions of people who can benefit from whether it's schooling or coaching or just given opportunities that they've never had.

to reintegrate into society and become contributing members.

So what has been done in Norway is people focus on all of these little decisions along the way.

Again, it's not, hey, we're going to do some big thing.

It is about these little decisions along the way.

How long do we incarcerate?

What about the weekend?

What about a spouse, a wife or a husband?

What about kids?