Nish Kumar

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Listen, let's talk about the nerve.

So look, it's not a surprise that traditional news providers are struggling with the impact of declining budgets and the ubiquity of social media, AI and all this stuff.

So it's great that journalists are now finding ways to report on the world and we need rigorous and fact-based and well-funded journalism now more than ever.

I think it's really interesting that you have picked up on the fact that they want everybody to cite their sources.

Because we interviewed Jimmy Wales, the founder of Wikipedia on here.

And Wikipedia, one of the things that I talked to him about was when I was at university, it was a bogeyman.

People would say you can't cite Wikipedia as an example.

But now Wikipedia has become a kind of bastion on the internet.

Don't go to the AI thing.

Go three down to Wikipedia.

Because it requires you to cite your sources.

And just...

I mean, there's two conversations to have.

One, I think, is the kind of balance between

populist right and progressive left media, which is obviously massively out of whack.

So the Labour MP, Liam Byrne, found that funding for the populist right, what he called a sort of media political complex, has exceeded £170 million.

And there is always going to be more money in defending the rights of capital than there is in the rights of people.