Nish Kumar

I would encourage listeners, if you haven't done it, to listen to last week's episode where we talked with Anne Pettiford.

Oh, that was great, by the way.

Thanks very much.

Thank you very much.

Anne was fantastic.

I was also there.

Where we talked about the...

lobbying efforts that involve a kind of coordination between JP Morgan, Jeffrey Epstein, and Peter Mandelson when he was at the heart of Gordon Brown's government in 2009.

But anyway, before we let you go, Paul, thank you so much for your time and for joining us.

Two quick questions.

Is Starmer toast?

I sense I know the answer to that, and I think the answer is yes, and it's a matter of time.

But if it's a matter of time, who is the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom?

Andy Burnham has not been allowed to stand.

Yeah.

Who's next?

He's an advert for men aging.

I can't think of a better way to round off this conversation using legal language to stop you from getting in even more trouble than you are currently in.

Paul Holden, thank you so much for joining us on Pod Save the UK.

Paul's book, The Fraud, Keir Starmer, Morgan McSweeney and the Crisis of British Democracy is out now.