Nish Kumar

There is this huge kind of domino rally of potential effects.

It's the same with insurance.

If you're an actuary and your job is effectively to predict the future as scientifically as you can, you can't pretend that the climate crisis isn't going to massively shake everything up.

So I'm hopeful that if MI5 and MI6 are going, guys, and all the people in insurers all over the world are going, yeah, guys, I don't know about this, then eventually those are languages that business understands.

And no matter who are the leaders of the world at that time, money itself, industry, will be going,

We're going to need customers tomorrow, so we have to actually make a difference.

You don't want to scare people.

As a climate communicator, if people are scared and have no agency, then they panic and they don't know what to do.

It's okay to scare people as long as you say, hey, look, there's a fire, there's the exit, run towards the exit.

But if you just go, there's a fire, ah, then that's not useful or productive fear.

It doesn't give people agency.

And it's staggering that people had to do a freedom of information request

to get this warning.

Nick Aldridge, who did that, I think you did a video with him where you were translating, Climate Science Translated.

You did one.

Yeah, I did one of those videos.

So the people behind those videos have created this national emergency briefing.

And that is a system whereby, as in wartime, they kind of want to go, this is almost like a COVID-type national announcement.

This is all the information you want to hear from super qualified experts saying, hey, everyone, let's all just calmly face the fact that elements of this are baked into our future and how fast we adapt and mitigate these is going to make an enormous difference to every aspect of British life.

Absolutely.