Nish Kumar

One of the other bubbles that you identify or potential major bubbles is the entire insurance industry.

But that's because the entire insurance industry is imperiled by the prospect of total climate breakdown.

And the book really, one of the things that I thought was really great was how much it explained how Global Casino is responsible for the acceleration of climate breakdown and is also imperiled by it.

Both of those threats will impact on ordinary people.

In attempting to kind of avert this crisis, you've been one of the architects of a Green New Deal.

Yeah.

So there's a 2008 report that outlined a series of UK-specific policy proposals to mitigate climate change.

The Labour government was elected with a pledge that it would hardwire a Green New Deal into every level of government.

But the £28 billion Green Plan has been shelved.

Are these ideas dead in the water, Anne?

And what would your message be to the Labour government on the implementation of a Green New Deal?

I've been down there, Anne.

It's a nice place.

It's a lovely bit of the world.

Yeah.

There's so much of what you said in terms of the solutions that exist from a kind of

climate catastrophe perspective.

And also this idea that, you know, Donald Trump has been making hay by essentially talking the language of anti-elite politics whilst obviously doing the opposite in policy terms.

But there's a huge opportunity for progressive political parties here, isn't there?

There's a huge opportunity.