Noah Labhart

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This will be interesting because you've done a lot in this space, but I'm really curious about, you know, if you look across all that you've built and all that you've figured out and all that you're teaching others, what are you most proud of?

Okay, so let's flip the script a little bit. Tell me about a mistake you made and how you responded to it.

Okay, so this will be super interesting to hear. What does the future look like for all that you offer? You've written many books, you've got courses, you're teaching, you have community that you've built. What does the future look like for all those things?

So let's switch to you, Jonathan. What influences the way that you work? Are there any sort of methods that you follow or rituals?

Okay, Jonathan, last question. So you're getting on a plane and you're sitting next to a young entrepreneur who's built the next big thing. They're jazzed about it. They can't wait to show it off to the world and can't wait to show it off to you right there on the plane. Or maybe it's the next big like mindset or the next big approach to something.

Kind of like what you did with value-based pricing and ditching hourly. What advice do you give that person having gone down this road a bit now?

Well, I can appreciate all of that. Well, Jonathan, thank you for being on the show today. And thank you for telling the creation story of Ditching Hourly and JonathanStark.com.

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Eric Mueller lives in San Francisco and explored many different paths before landing in tech. Architecture, photography, but ultimately, he settled into the creativity, building, and planning aspects of creating software. Outside of tech, he's married with one kid and a great trade-off with his wife. He does all the cooking while she does the cleaning.

He still loves photography and takes pictures regularly with his Olympus OM-1. Eleven years ago, Eric joined his current venture as a consultant, taking on projects and delivering value. He was brought on board six to seven months later and started down the path where he would lead the engineering and security arms of your partner in creating digital products.

This is Eric's creation story at Presence.