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Noam Shazeer

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Thanks for having us.

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Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Super excited to be here.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

You're very kind.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

I mean, I think as companies grow, you kind of go through these phases.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

When I joined, we were 25 people, 26 people, something like that.

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Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And so you eventually learned everyone's name.

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Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And even though we were growing, you kept track of all the people who were joining.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

At some point, then you lose track of everyone's name in the company, but you still know everyone working on software engineering things.

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Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Then you lose track of all the names of people in the software engineering group, but you at least know all the different projects that everyone's working on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And then at some point, the company gets big enough that you get an email that Project Platypus is launching on Friday, and you're like, what the heck is Project Platypus?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

So I think...

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Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

It is good to keep track of what's going on in the company, even at a very high level, even if you don't know every last detail.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And it's good to know lots of people throughout the company so that you can go ask someone for more details or figure out who to talk to.

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Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

I think with one level of indirection, you can usually find the right person in the company if you have a good...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

network of people that you built up over time.

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Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

How did Google recruit you, by the way?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

I kind of reached out to them, actually.

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Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

I mean, one of the things I like about Google is our ambition has always been sort of something that would kind of require pretty advanced AI.

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Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

You know, organizing the world's information and making it universally accessible and useful.

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Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Like, actually, there's a really broad mandate in there.

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