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Noam Shazeer

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

That's actually a bit of a problem with neural nets is they're so tolerant of noise.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

You can have things set up kind of wrong in a lot of ways, and they just kind of figure out ways to work around that or learn.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Maybe an experiment takes an hour to run or two hours or something, not two weeks.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

It's great.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

How do they interact?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

You think maybe they're independent, but actually maybe there's some funny interaction between, you know, improving the way in which we handle video data input and the way in which we, you know, update the model parameters or something.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And that interacts more for video data than some other thing.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

You know, there's all kinds of interactions that can happen that you maybe...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

don't anticipate.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And so you want to run these experiments where you're then putting a bunch of things together and then periodically making sure that all the things you think are good are good together.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And if not, understanding why they're not playing nicely.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Yeah, I mean, I think most things you don't even try to stack because they...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

the initial experiment didn't work that well or it showed results that aren't that promising relative to the baseline.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And then you sort of take those things and you try to scale them up individually.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And then you're like, oh, yeah, these ones seem really promising.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

So I'm going to now include them in something that I'm going to now bundle together and try to advance and combine with other things that seem promising.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And then you run the experiments and then you're like, oh, well, they didn't really work that well.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Let's try to debug why.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Yeah, I mean, I think it's super important to understand what's going on and what the trends are.