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Noam Shazeer

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

I mean, it's a pretty different way of operating than our current Gemini development.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

So I think, you know, we will explore these kinds of areas and I think make some progress on them, but we need to sort of really see evidence that it's the right way, you know, that it has a lot of benefits.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Some of those benefits may be improved quality.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Some may be

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

sort of less concretely measurable, like this ability to have lots of parallel development of different modules.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

But that's still a pretty exciting improvement because I think then that would enable us to make faster progress on improving the model's capabilities for lots of different distinct areas.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Like a personal module for you would be useful.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Another thing might be you can use certain data in some settings, but not in other settings.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And maybe we have some YouTube data that's only usable in a YouTube product surface, but not in other settings.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

So we can have a module that is trained on that data for that particular purpose.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

It's going to be great.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Blob 2.0.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Or maybe they're not even version.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

It's just like an incrementally growing blob.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Yeah, I mean, I guess this kind of like notion of an organic, like kind of not quite so carefully mathematically constructed machine learning model is one that's been with you for a little while.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And I feel like

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

in the development of neural nets, like the biological analog, the artificial neurons, you know, inspiration from biological neurons is a good one and has served us well in the deep learning field.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And we've been able to make a lot of progress with that.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer โ€“ 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

But I feel like we're not necessarily looking at other things that real brains do as much as we perhaps could.