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Noam Shazeer

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

In one, you split all the examples into different batches, and every CPU has a copy of the model.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And in the other one, you kind of pipeline a bunch of examples along to processors that have different...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

different parts of the model.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And I compared and contrasted them.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And it was interesting.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

I was really excited about the abstraction because it felt like neural nets were the right abstraction that could solve tiny toy problems that no other approach could solve at the time.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

but and I thought oh you know naive me oh 32 processors we'll be able to train like really awesome neural nets but it turned out you know we needed about a million times more compute before they really started to work for real problems but then starting you know in the

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

you know, late 2008, 2009, 2010 timeframe, we started to have enough compute, thanks to Moore's Law, to actually make neural nets work for real things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And that was kind of when I sort of re-entered looking at neural nets.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

But prior to that, in 2007... So actually, can I ask about this?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Yeah, it's four pages and then, like, 30 pages of C code.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

Oh, yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

So that, we had a machine translation research team at Google led by Franz Och.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

who had joined Google maybe a year before and a bunch of other people.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And every year they competed in a – I guess it's a DARPA contest on translating a couple of different languages to English.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

I think Chinese to English and Arabic to English I think.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And the Google team had submitted an entry and the way this works is you get like – I don't know.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

500 sentences on Monday and you have to submit the answer on Friday.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And so I saw the results of this and we'd won the contest and by a pretty substantial margin measured in blue score, which is like a measure of translation quality.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Jeff Dean & Noam Shazeer – 25 years at Google: from PageRank to AGI

And so I reached out to Franz, the head of this winning team.