Noel King

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I'm Noelle King with Ambassador Wendy Sherman.

Quasi-retired former Deputy Secretary of State led the team that in 2015 got a nuclear deal with Iran.

All right.

So to take listeners back in time just a little bit, after the deal is signed in 2015, President Trump comes into office and he essentially tosses it out.

He says, I'm going to create something better.

Now, to this day, he hasn't.

And now there is a new war standing in the way of a new deal around Iran's nuclear program.

What do you think it would take for the U.S.

to get a new deal with Iran right now?

OK, so there are no easy answers to the question.

How do you get this done?

All right.

So let's let's go back in time and talk about how you did get it done.

As you say, today, Iran has some real serious leverage.

It has the Strait of Hormuz and the ability to close it.

And we know that that it will act on that.

Back when you were negotiating with Iran, were there moments looking back when you thought, this is just not going to happen?

We know, in part because President Trump articulated this early and often, that there were some Americans who thought we could have gotten a better deal with Iran.

What do you hear as the main complaint?