Noel King

And the machine gun then just became a ubiquitous weapon.

Everybody had machine guns.

And then in World War II, it was the tank.

And everywhere since then, there have been tanks.

What we are now seeing between the Russia-Ukraine war and this war with Iran is these one-way attack drones.

It's not that they're the only things that militaries need, but these are now just going to be part of the arsenal moving forward.

And if you don't have them, and if you can't defend against them, you're going to be in trouble.

Michael Horowitz of UPenn and the Council on Foreign Relations.

Hadi Mouagdi produced today's show.

Jolie Myers edited.

Patrick Boyd is our engineer.

And Andrea Lopez-Crusado checks the facts.

I'm Noelle King.

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