Noel King

I'm Noelle King.

David Sachs, President Trump's AI czar, was an early friend of Peter Thiel and part of Thiel and Elon Musk's PayPal mafia.

He started a company.

He sold it to Microsoft, as you do.

Then he started a VC firm, and he now has big stakes in SpaceX and XAI.

Like me, David Sachs is also a podcast host.

Natasha Tiku, tech culture reporter for The Washington Post.

Tell us about him.

Sachs has a very popular tech podcast called

That she co-hosts with three of his quote-unquote besties.

They're all investors.

And one of the other co-hosts was also part of the, you know, war room as Elon's taking over.

And they kind of cheered a lot of his ideas like, yes, fire, fire your trust and safety department, like get rid of DEI, you know, like fight for free speech.

The idea is like you're getting a, you know, unfiltered, candid look from people who are in the game, in the arena, as they actually do like to say on the podcast.

But increasingly, they started talking about politics and.

And, you know, David started out as kind of like the conservative foil.

His co-hosts were much more like centrist Democrats.

And the evolution of their worldview, of their political stances, is pretty close to what we see from, you know, the tech supporters of Trump's second term.

We learn more from All In about David Sacks' politics.

What do we learn about his politics?